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but then it's TOO easy to be at the top tear of items. I actually was in the minority agreeing that perhaps change it to prot II max enchant and sharp III to make fights quicker with no regens and stuff. I forget who suggested that.

PolarTux I like this idea, and I personally enjoyed the revs with no enchants (except on bows). Of course there was the problem of bows being way too powerful, but otherwise it was great.

luke_gardner: I don't think so, this game is pretty old and has certainly lost its luster naturally for many, if not most, of those players - myself included. I don't care what you throw at S, I don't think it's going to make a shitty game any better. Even the old players with saintly patience have moved on. We're talking about years of playing this game for those people - making a small tweak isn't going to suddenly pique their interest.

xMGMT: You know that if you took off enchants a good amount of old players would come back, that's the player base i'm talking about.

luke_gardner: Sure, but if the point is to improve the server...catering to the incredibly small player base (there's less than 90 people across all 3 servers right now) isn't the way to do it. Nor is removing a huge part of the game. I agree with you on the principle that fights would be more balanced, but not on the principle it will improve the server. It will simply codify the small community that exists.

xMGMT: At this point I think the nerd.nu clique is what needs to be catered to, because it's the most consistent player base you've had. The current system isn't working.

zifnab06: I entirely agree with this statement. If you do not like a feature of vanilla minecraft, you should choose another game to play.

Luke_gardner: I think this removes a huge part of the game in a way that's very destructive. You should see some of the hate mail we got last time we tried this. People really don't like it and think it is insane if they're not part of the little nerd.nu clique.

Krazeyhorse: FUCKING THIS! The server feels like a goddamn WoW grind just trying to get enough shit to even fight once versus people that know wtf is going on.

xMGMT: Just remove enchants again, but do it right this time, no enchants on bows, armor, and swords. Take away regens, strength, and poison pots, leave everything else. This will cut down on the time it takes to start pvp'ing for new players and won't make everyone want to gouge their eyes out while they grind for levels to enchant armor, only for it to be gone after one fight. Diamond armor will change hands more, it will actually be fun. The reason no enchants failed last time was because bows could still be enchanted, which created the problem of someone running down a road and getting sniped by a Flame I Power IV bow and having no chance of actually using a sword. I think people would much rather have bows become obsolete than swords.

It needs to happen asap so I'm trying to get it everywhere XD, this subreddit should not be abandoned in favor of the forums I don't think as more people come here

You listen, for example no one will blame you for trying things from this post that are supported in the comments, I know I for one and many others would defend you. You can't let the rantings and insults of the people that always want to be angry at something get to you. Earlier this year my Uncle died at the age of 42 due to a birth defect that just became prominent and many jokes were unknowingly very saddening to me. You have to move on, if you just put in your head that you know they're just ignorant and or are just joking and would never mean something like that you have to make your best judgement and not look at only opinion but numbers. If 3 or 4 people send you rage filled drama posts and the rest tell you they're happy or don't complain while numbers for the server go up, that's a good thing. Just try to implement some of these ideas ASAP. Some are fairly straightforward and could easily put in. No one's going to get mad at you for adding a new tech admin if they know what they're doing or for better enforcing the rules. It's just something to think about on how to make the server a better place so if you could discuss with other admins about these ideas and potentially put some in is what I ask of you. P.S writing at 3:30 am with a 6 hour jetlag so please don't kill my grammar / spelling

cmdtrebok: What is it exactly I am supposed to do? Any changes that are made by the admins are met with extreme amounts of displeasure and handwringing. When I was an admin I was likened to hitler (I'm Jewish and old enough to have direct family members who survived the holocaust by the way I really don't appreciate that shit), made fun if. Oh and told on several occasions my ideas were wrong and lead to drama posts about how such and such is leaving the server and who's with me. Even the most minor idea or change is met with obstinate resistance to the point of calcification. Even the suggestion you made about the enchanting was instituted the first time by luke_gardner and met with such unbelievable resistance and pages and pages of text by everyone with an opinion and a shitty attitude he said he lost sleep over it. Let me repeat that because its so absurd it bears repeating; he lost sleep over a video game because a minor tweak/idea for a 2 or 3 month revision was met with extreme derision and drama. He lost the will to try anything again after that and the stopped playing the game all together. I felt the same way before I quit for over a year. On a pay to win for profit server there is someone in charge who can make decisions and answer to nobody. Here no one is really in charge an every decision you are made to feel like shit about. These kinds if posts every week lead to a general feeling of helplessness too and very quickly becomes impossible to read. Ultimately I have no more power than you do over the server which is to say I have none. I guess id be willing to take a stab at the admin thing again but I would institute drastic changes quickly and not be very open to the pages of drama that would ensue. Maybe that is for the best or maybe that would kill what we have left who knows. Edit: I'm typing this in my phone and I have stubby fingers please excuse the typos and stuff

If you see it then why aren't you trying to do anything about it rather then shove it into the new $150 forums that we didn't need. EDIT: that was a tad harsh and uncalled for but it's frustrating that you keep saying you've seen them but there have been no significant changes in a long time.

cmdrtebok: Reddit is absolute shit for sustained conversations. We have had this same thread every week with the same suggestions because it doesn't sit on the main page for more than two days. Furthermore for a discussion nested comments sorted by popularity are probably the worst way to have a meaningful discussion. Not only does it require people responding with the same information in different comment chains but the terrible voting system makes it a useless pissing context where unpopular opinions get buried for no reason. As if that wasn't bad enough too many comments in a chain get hidden never to be read and unaccountable trolls often take over the discussion. Most people in this community don't have the time to constantly follow these circular discussions and many of the people in charge don't have the time to digest it and act before it drops off the front page into obscurity. The forums have far more staying power, are far more organized and have accountability. It is a better platform for discussion which is why it's used by every other community whether they are minecraft or other gaming/online community. Reddit is little more than a collection of links. From the day they added commenting it has been poorly implemented. Being that reddit is a collection of links you should just link the forum discussion to the subreddit. It would be way better that way. Notice I am one if the only staff members commenting in any if these threads? It's because it's a fucking Sisyphean task.

wickedcoolsteve: Well, as I see it, part of the problem is with the way reddit works. Even with plenty of upvotes, this post will drop down the mcpublic front page fairly rapidly. Within a few days it won't be on the front page at all. At that point discussion will effectively cease. That's not ideal for a complex subject such as this that would benefit from a longer-term in depth conversation. In the end, a traditional forum setup is better for certain types of content (ban appeals, server policy) than reddit is.

uni0: We are reddit server? Why/how? I know we used own the minecraft subreddit; we don't anymore. Should we say we are the reddit server because of some loose historical association to it and stick to this form of communication even though many agree it's not enough, or should we focus on making the best possible servers and using the best communication tools for the job?

adsdad: type of discussion might be a better fit for the forums. Those forums need to go. What's the point of the reddit servers even having a seperate forum? It splinters the userbase and their discussions, which makes it a pain in the ass to follow server developments. It's not like reddit doesn't already have a built-in means of public discussion.

Diznatch52: Regardless of whether or not I agree with you, you might consider that this type of discussion might be a better fit for the forums. There are already a few threads going on about the improvement of S and it would likely be more beneficial for you to contribute your ideas to one of the existing ones than to create a competing thread. Two examples of these threads are the one about spawn camping, and the one for general changes on survival.

yea, when it's fixed.

pokergeek1234: The problem with not making the same thread everyweek is we need to keep reminding the playerbase. Also, making issue threads isn't a massive waste of time. If you dislike these threads, don't make comments on/read them.

cmdrtebok: Can we stop making this same thread every week? There are multiple discussions in the forums about ideas and a million threads where no one agrees. This runs into a massive waste of time.

Tornadohorse: I wouldn't say that's the case entirely. It's changing a little bit, there hasn't been a huge amount of dicking about with new players, not that I'm aware of anyway. But yeah, we need to think about moving away from vanilla a bit.

Buchanman: The thing is, on S we have the "big kids" who have been here a long time and want nothing to change. Then we have the "new kids" who join, get killed constantly, and not made welcome. It's like school; no one wants to have a school-like environment on S. We have to be able to welcome them, keep them entertained by adding some things (minigames, plugins; teleportation(?)).

cmdrtebok: Part of the problem with the staff is the bullshit persecution complex people seen to have and the way they treat the staff. Once someone gets promote you are treated like shit in game an constantly accused of cheating. Not only are you treated like shit by the userbase but you are totally untested by admins too and it feels like a weight around the neck. Not that isnt for good reason either; way too many times we have promote mods only to actually have them cheat or take advantage of something. It gets really unfun really fast an that is why us long timers only play as alts and many others simply stop playing.