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See, that's the problem, you can either have a town of nice, trusted people OR lots of random players with little to no research on them. I'm not saying any of these is bad, but my personal opinion is, one shouldn't be adding people to town perms based on a whim. Otherwise, the community is more likely to project player's deeds onto a bigger entity if the wrongdoing repeats. That's the way it works and you can see the very example in those chat logs. See my first post. I've been addressing every kind of private grinders there, not just end grinders. You've missed the point that 1. people's homes are accessible to other players and 2. the grinder's impact on others is way bigger than player homes'. 1000 water blocks in an ocean on the other side of the map doesn't bother you, but just one over your redstone contraption is hell. See now?

I'm bringing "this shit" up to back my claim that people's attitude towards Vinhaven may be justified and is not empty words. I tend to do research before bringing "shit" up. Oh really? Need more? Lemme quote myself. And a respective rule that applies here: * What makes you think it was a mod? So lemme sum things up, according to Vinhaven's codex, giving the town negative publicity is awarded with exclusion from town and permission removal. That's okay. But he was a VH member and you fail to properly address and explain the basis of his actions. Matches the dick attitude I've heard of and experienced before. "Let's just trash the guy and pretend it didn't happen on our grounds" is not a solution. And don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to say VH is all evil things of the server combined. But there certainly is some coincidence between the previous griefing incident, the anti-P-spirit private grinder AND people telling me, lemme quote, "vinhaven in general... breaks rule 1 a lot".Edit: explained the "OMG VH is evil (or not?)" part some more.

Okay, time to speak up. Hoping to shed some light on the whole situation. Let's start by listing people behind the second grinder. For science. Now, no longer than a week ago, people started reporting end grinder issues. Due to a fact I was redesigning the grinding chamber back then, I've happened to be around and get a portion of backlash the situation has spawned. The grinder was, in fact, spawning NOTHING and that's where I went into detective mode. Noticed Redigox on the mainland and pointed it out in global chat. By that point, Redigox was perfectly aware of the second grinder (since he's the one who made it, of course). He chooses to pretend he doesn't know about it and act like a derp: And when he's done grinding, arrives at the main "Seneca" grinder to play dumb some more: Few days later, a user that would like to remain anonymous has informed me of the other grinder and even gave me a nice tour. Mandatory imgur album.Fast forward to present. The topic of multiple grinders arises in chat where another person and I point out there are, in fact, already two. Shitstorm ensues. Turns out Vinhaven is not as cool as it seems and there are some other grudges being held against it, which I don't really know of. Surprisingly (or not so), both situations involve that person. It's safe to assume people who've built the second grinder knew of the one-grinder agreement, otherwise they wouldn't make it hidden. My point: one grinder to rule them (endermen) all. Let's just have it as a rule. It's not "Seneca grinder" and you don't have to be a Senecan to get building permissions there (best example: me!), so please take that S mentality of "private grinders" back to S. This is P and people are expected to share things. Keep in mind "Atlantis and vinhaven residents only" signs don't really conform to that. Who would've thought addition of hoppers could reveal so many things about people's personalities. >:P