Mumberthrax Posted May 31 Report Share Posted May 31 (edited) Hi. I'd like to appeal my ban. Quote In the large box titled "Appeal Body", summarize events as best you remembered them and state your point of view. I was on the nerd.nu discord server in the politics channel often. I became frustrated at the way i was treated by users there in ways i perceived to be in violation of the rules. I became frustrated by the treatment i received from cheezychicken in response to my complaints. I became frustrated with some of the other staff who accused me of being the source of the conflict rather than those who were mistreating me. This happened in parallel with other events where the head admins engaged in what i perceived at the time to be misconduct on the PvE server. Fazaden in particular would engage with me on the politics channel and appeared to have the same inclination as I did at the time to get hot-headed on matters that are important to him. There's much more that went on to all of this, a lot of issues that really bothered me, but which don't really need to be brought up here. Suffice to say though, at the time I felt attacked on all sides by several users and by the staff who i believed had a responsibility to maintain order and justice, and that led to a lot of resentment and frustration. The fact that this intersected with the emotions of real-world political issues sent me to what I'd classify as peak amygdala hyperstimulation. I lost my patience and began treating the channel with flippancy commensurate with the level of care i perceived others to be putting forth. I cracked what seemed to me clever jokes in response to insults and attacks. In retrospect, there was no way that any of that would be productive. The people there were never going to accept any kind of argument against them, and losing my temper in response to trolling and trolling them back was never going to produce ideal results. In particular, lashing out at the admins who were themselves ideologically driven (as I was) and who mostly just would have preferred for the whole thing to go away was an error on my part. At one point I stated truthfully my belief in criminal prosecution leading to the death penalty for people who perform abortions. I still do not believe this violated nerd.nu's rules. I also made a statement which I fully intended as a joke, which I thought was obviously ridiculous enough to be understood as satirical - and which at the time I also thought cleverly referenced several topics that had arisen over the course of the conversation in a funny way, but because the admins saw me as the central figure in all of their problems, this satirical comment could be plausibly argued to have been made with serious intent. The context didn't matter, and stripping away that context was a strategy used to argue for the denial of my previous appeal. I understand why that was done. To make it extremely clear: my argument at the time was that "KILLING IS BAD". From my perspective, abortion is killing. ergo, i don't want people killed. At the same time, I was REPEATEDLY in support of the rule of law and criminal justice. These are very very basic concepts for functioning civilization that nobody should have issue with. To the best of my recollection, it was Fazaden who pressed me to describe what I would want done to people who perform abortions under a hypothetical scenario where the rule of law has dissolved and anarchy and chaos have taken over my country. So I said, iirc, that in that scenario such people should be executed - in much the same way that murderers are given the death penalty. (FWIW, my stance on the death penalty today is more reserved than even then. I tend to believe in repentance and forgiveness.) My "joke" was suggesting in that scenario a 'genocide' of people who support and perform abortions. Obviously it is not a genocide, because people of various races and ethnic backgrounds share in that activity. Obviously extrajudicial killing people who merely give support to murderers is a violation of the concept of law and order, the rule of law, and a violation of the belief that "KILLING IS BAD". I hope this is making some sense. I'm not sure how better to explicate this. My intention right now is not to argue against abortion or turn this appeal into a political debate, to argue the nuances of law and 'what is a human' or any of that stuff, because that's not what this is about. I share what I have shared because it is what happened, and I was instructed at nerd.nu/appeal to do so. My stance is that the head admins and deaygo made considerable mistakes in their handling my previous appeals - but they are understandable mistakes. I don't care that they did, it doesn't bother me anymore. Nobody cares. I have no interest in going on the politics channel at all. I have no interest in talking about political issues with people who already have their opinions cooked. Getting into heated arguments about politics is fruitless at best, and disruptive and harmful at worst. I simply wish to have the ban reversed at this time. Also, for what it is worth, I'm much calmer these days. I am sorry I caused trouble for you admins, for not conducting myself at a higher standard even when I felt mistreated. Previous appeal posts: https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/5780-mumberthrax-defiex https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/5823-mumberthrax-defiex-please-re-open-my-previous-appeal-so-that-i-may-respond https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/7167-mumberthrax-defiex/ Edited May 31 by Mumberthrax minor elaboration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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defiex Posted June 3 Report Share Posted June 3 Hello Mumberthrax, Thank you for your patience. We will respond to your post in the next day or so, once we have a moment to discuss the situation between the head admins. -defiex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defiex Posted June 5 Report Share Posted June 5 Hello Mumberthrax, It is good that you have taken the time to look inward and think about your actions in the past. Unfortunately, we have not changed our stance on your ban. Your comments and actions at the time were too egregious for us to be comfortable allowing you back. We wish you well, The Head Admins, defiex, pez252, & Fazaden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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