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Ban for kingshaven on c.nerd.nu for Xray on Pve nerd.nu/appeal by trooprm32 on 2014-01-23 19:14:02 (no more bans, 1 notes)
Please be patient and your banning moderator will be with you as soon as they get a chance.
Note: Player has a ban on another account for xray:
Ban for max8389 on c.nerd.nu for xray on p.nerd.nu nerd.nu/appeal by totemo on 2013-06-07 15:47:57 (no more bans, 1 notes)
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Ban for max8389 on c.nerd.nu for xray on p.nerd.nu nerd.nu/appeal by totemo on 2013-06-07 15:47:57 (no more bans, 1 notes)
Please be patient and your banning moderator will be with you as soon as they get a chance.
Note: Player has a ban on another account for xray.
Ban for kingshaven on c.nerd.nu for Xray on Pve nerd.nu/appeal by trooprm32 on 2014-01-23 19:14:02 (no more bans, 1 notes)
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Okay, your mutes on this server were well justifed. Prior to your first and second mutes, you had a lot of players on the server asking you to stop your discussion. When you didn't, you were muted. Valid reasons for Mutes, especially if you haven't read our rules. http://nerd.nu/rules states specifically that political discussions aren't allowed in public chat.
Your 3rd mute involves your homophobic comment in chat. If you do not believe that you comment was homophobic, you probably need to do a little research in, how stereotypes can be seen as offensive. You should also take a look at https://nerd.nu/forums/index.php?/topic/20-banned-for-a-homophobic-or-racial-slur-read-this/ . This will hopefully give you a better understanding as to why it doesn't really matter if you find what you say offensive, others might.
To some this up, Your mutes were justified.
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Okay, I'm going to post here briefly so this doesn't end up into a long and drawn out conversation.
The part about stating that he was allowing the posting is something I would have expected from any staff member that was reviewing an appeal. It might have been stated a little different but it was more or less one staff member addressing that they know that this wasn't probably the place that this should have been posted since it doesn't specifically deal with a ban but they will leave it to be dealt with by a head admin.
They could have probably corrected their terminology in something that wasn't so blunt, however It could have been felt necessary to do so for when the player verifies the rules they understand that is the terminology we use.
It is also normally standard terminology to ask a player to be patient during their appeal. Our policy states that a player should wait until either a staff person responds to their appeal or 48 hours have passed before they bump or make repetitive posts asking of someone to look at their appeal. Asking for a user to be patient is very much needed.
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I will look into your chat logs when I get a chance. Hopefully tomorrow at the latest
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Unbanned.
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I'll unban you as soon as I get online tonight.
(If another staff member sees this. Feel free to unban them)
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These accusations are being looked into. Closing this thread, as there is only drama to be had by continued comments. Thank you Barney for bringing this to our attention and we will investigate this.
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Thank you Malvagio for all the work you have put forth during your time here.
All accusations will be looked into and any further comments can be messaged to me here on the forums.
Closing to reduce hostility since the intentions have been lost or misdirected in this thread.
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What you did on the server is never considered a good idea. We take chat, like you have said, seriously. I'm willing to go ahead and lift this ban provided that you go reread the rules at http://nerd.nu/rules and reply back here stating that you understand and will abide by them from now on.
Just as a reference, here are the chat logs:
2014-07-21 08:45:29 | <zarxto> I want to grief this server
2014-07-21 08:45:40 | <cyotie911> that would be stupid zarxto
2014-07-21 08:45:44 | <zarxto> That would be great
2014-07-21 08:45:54 | <zarxto> Ahh another wastless server put in use
2014-07-21 08:46:13 | <zarxto> Well it would be recorded and put on youtube and then the server would get ddosed a shit ton
2014-07-20 12:22:29 | <zarxto> I wonder how this server got popular.
2014-07-20 12:22:48 | <zarxto> but i remember some famous youtubers did something..
2014-07-20 12:22:51 | <zarxto> I dont remember
2014-07-20 12:23:32 | <zarxto> Wait! I remember, team Avo.
2014-07-20 12:24:28 | <zarxto> Didn't team avo do something to his server?
2014-07-20 12:24:40 | <zarxto> OH YEA.
2014-07-20 12:25:51 | <zarxto> I used to be affiliated with teamavo alot back in '11 but now minecraft has gotten more boring
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I'm finally at home but evidently there is an Internet service outage in the area and I'm not able to get online from anything but my phone. Before I post to this appeal I want to pull the relevant chat logs and review them. I will pull them at work in the morning and reply after that.
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Hello, Sorry for the delay, I've been currently on a road trip for the last few days. I'll make some time to reply to this tonight.
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wait what? we have a subreddit? j/k Okay, I guess I should be a bit more active there. My bad.
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Closing, user can make a new appeal on the unban date.
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Just making a quick post to welcome back elbeau and brianherman to the moderation team. They have been retrained and will be out and about on the servers. Feel free to bug them when you see them online.
Welcome back peeps.
Cyotie911
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lol, there's now an Institute of Technology in the ghetto of my town, in a building that used to be a hair salon, and it's next to a dive bar that litterally has the cops called in every weekend. Think I should go apply to work there. :P
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Sorry for the delay. Been a hectic day at work today. Unbanned.
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Ah okay, that makes good sense then.
Glad you see it my way. I wouldn't want to have to beat you into submission! Lol just kidding.
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It also became a deturant for someone to borrow a friend's account to play on because of the risk of it getting banned too.
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Many of us, and many of those before us, have stuck to this rule that evading a ban on an alt account results in permanent ban of the alt account (and from the poking around I've done, in most cases time was tacked on to the original ban if applicable). And you're right, it really doesn't make a ton of sense. And Dumbo's improvements sound reasonable, certainly.I'm curious what the reasoning was for the rule's introduction in the first place. Does anyone know?
To my knowledge, this rule was developed before there were compromised account lists and was a punishment because it was harder to check if an account was an alt or not. We didn't have the lookup tools that Deaygo provides us with now. The punishment fit the crime better.
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Yes, they do have the right to have another staff member look at their appeal however the decision to have the appeal be taken care of by someone else will always land upon the admin. If it were to be handled in the fashion you describe, it would be equivalent to a child asking his mom for something, not getting the answer they wanted, going to ask dad instead, doesn't get the answer they want, goes to grandma next and so on until they get the answer they are looking for.Wow, this exploded a bit while I was away. In that regard, I apologize for my absence.
Cyotie, I understand that in some circumstances, it's pointless for there to be a request for an outside staff member to deal with a ban. However, I do feel that if a player requests for an alternate, whether it's necessary or not, they should get that right. If they feel that there's bias against them from their banner, whether there is or isn't, they have the right to have another user look at it.
I don't see ban appeals that request for other staff to help often, but when I do, I hope to see the staff professionally handle it, as requested.
Ban appeals will never be private. Circumstances surrounding bans and unbans have always been public for a reference for a players future bans, for instance, how many times they were banned in the past is only recorded by the # of appeals they have, how many times previously they have been banned for a certain violation (I.e. xray) will determine how long of a ban length that needs to be set. There are numerous other reasons that private ban appeals will never happen and this has always been our policy.Do players have the right to ask for their appeal to be private? I never saw anything said about this and have wondered for a while now.
If not, I think that should be an allowance. Whilst I understand that if this were to happen, many players would lose the formality and respect that they show in public appeals, but the actual nature of handling the appeal should be the same. If a banned player does something in their appeal that they wouldn't do in a public one, it should be dealt with the same way.
Private means private, so obviously the banning staff member can't expose information from the thread, and it would be common sense for the player to do the same.
Thanks for that unbiased downvote, diff.
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I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with this, but it is still in opposition to the publicly stated policy as posted by four. It may be best to either stick by the old word of the Heads or formally change that to reflect the change in policy.
For the record, what was quoted wasn't policy for the players. It was a document drafted to help staff members remember what all is expected of them as staff. That being stated, it now reflects this conversation.
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What I said is that a Head admin will look into whatever problem that is brought to their attention. This doesn't mean that it will result in another staff member handling an appeal.Just to confirm, however, that if a player feels there will be bias in the appeal, he will not be rejected because the adminstaff don't necessarily feel that? What a player perceives and what the staff perceives can be very different.
For instance, a player modifies another players build and didn't see it as griefing. They could think that staff member had a grudge on them for some reason and was further fueled by a ban for griefing. This player comes to me telling me that they plan to appeal shortly and request that another staff member handle their ban because they feel they were wrongly banned and that there is a grudge being held against them by the banning moderator.
This circumstance doesn't warrant another staff person handling this ban because the grounds of the ban were just, furthermore, if I seen no evidence that there is any bias having been shown to the banned person then there is no reason for me to believe that the banning moderator will be anything less than professional in the appeal. (We will take the time to explain this and why this is so to the appealer)
This is just a situation. Each situation that is brought to the heads will be determined on a case by case basis. So, in review, just because someone thinks there is a bias, doesn't mean that their case will be handled by someone other than your banning moderator. The banning moderator is always the best suites to handle the appeals since they were there to recollect the events that took place and will only be replaced if the situation requires that to happen.
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I'm a little confused, are you saying that the player has to prove the handling moderator would be bias or otherwise unfit before someone else will handle the appeal? In the 'Staff Expectations' thread it still says every player has the right to have their appeal escalated, with no reasons specified?
No, not saying that at all. What I am saying is that they are free to contact a head admin outside of the ban appeal and the Head will look into their concern. I will have no problem turning a judgment around if it is spiteful or unjust. Any overturns or re considerations will be made public and added into the appeal. If a player would like to elevate a concern prior to appealing, I'll be more than happy to hear their concern and will determine if we think there would be any bias towards the appealer from the banning moderator. However, I'm not going to turn the ban appeals section into a circus by every person who appeals have their appeal handled by an admin if there isn't a legitimate reason to do so. Any of our staff should be able to conduct themselves professionally in ban appeals and show no bias towards anyone, If they should have a problem then I Would Ask That They Recuse Themselves From The situation. If there is a staff person that happens to act in any other manner than professional in an appeal, please bring it to the attention of a head admin immediately.
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atomlib [totemo]
in Closed Ban Appeals
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Ban for atomlib on c.nerd.nu for widespread crop, block and redstone grief; no constructive edits nerd.nu/appeal by totemo on 2013-02-01 04:53:43 (no more bans, no notes)
Please be patient and a staff member will be with you as soon as they can.