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  3. The "Toxic" Debacle

    in Minecraft General

    Posted

    That's nice. I still don't fully trust the head admins.

     

     

    Buddy, I don't know what you're trying to start or what seeds of discontent you're trying to sow, but if you think you have some expectation of privacy in ANY online game or community you are sadly mistaken.

     

    I honestly at this point couldn't give two shits about "if UNP trusts me" because in your illustrious time here at Nerd you've been banned, muted for weeks or months at a time for being an insufferable troll, and done nothing but stir up shit on the forums.  All you have done in this thread is talk about how terrible the admins are yet here you are, freely talking shit without any admin doing anything to you.  If any one of us wanted you gone, based on your ban and in-game history it would be done without argument and yet we still allow you to babble on with your crazy conspiracy theories, so in a very public way you're proving your own arguments wrong.

     

    I don't agree with tebok that everyone who doesn't like it here or disagrees "can just go away."  Some of the unhappy people here have valid criticism and feedback.  I just wish you would go away. 

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  4. [PMC] Rules-at-a-glance proposal

    in The Archives

    Posted

     

    Going back a bit to the Community Interaction Policy what was the real purpose for implementing it? To explain exactly what doing certain things would result in? If we are going to do a complete rule overhaul then we need to either abolish the CIP or rewrite it as well. I am for abolishing it as it doesn't add anything new besides make the current rules even lengthier and I can definitely say that if I'm just a regular player I don't want to read a entire document on the rules of the community. Most of that stuff should be pretty common knowledge. We have catered long enough to the rule benders and the rule pushers and the rule lawyering. Enough of it. They can either follow the rules or they can not and be banned. The CIP does nothing but cater to the rule lawyering by trying to prevent it. Just follow the rules it isn't that difficult.

     

    The community interaction policy was written so that:

     

    1.  It was vague enough to avoid lawyering (Its says I can't do "this" so I did "this").  Instead of naming specific little things, it outlined broad categories of shit that is "not ok."

    2.  It had teeth so we could remove people who needed to be gone.  There is no "you'll get a 3 day ban for this" and more "We're going to keep escalating this until you're gone."

     

    The people who troll the forums don't like it and I'm 100% fine with that.   Those are the people who it was designed to control if we need to.  I know there will be some discussion about if head admins should have that power, but I should point out that its been used only a few times, and one of those times the head admins didn't agree in its application and we overturned the ban before anyone even saw it, which is why nobody even knows about it.  We don't use it all willy-nilly.

  7. The "Toxic" Debacle

    in Minecraft General

    Posted

    UNP, I'm going to be frank- those conclusions are completely baseless and without merit.

     

    • Mods have "no real power"

    You're absolutely right- "mods are nothing more than players who are given the tools and trust to help other players" has been a chief tenet of this community since it was founded.   We believe it so strongly that there has been a public forum post on it (copied over from our old forums) on these forums since day 1:

     

    https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/405-becoming-a-moderator-is-not-a-promotion/

     

    Mods have 3 "powers" if you want to call them that:

     

    1. To volunteer their time to help other players, not for personal gain, but because they want to help the community.
    2. To give priority feedback to admins on policy and moderation guidelines, because they're the troops in the trenches and their opinion tends to have the voice of experience, not anger over "mod A didn't approve my land claim so unfair!!!1" that we get so often from player feedback.
    3. They are trusted to make judgement calls on modreqs where everything might not be so cut and dry 100% of the time.

     

    You're making a point like its something new or wrong.   This is how it has always been and how it will always be- it is the very root principal this community was founded on.

     

    • Discussing actually changing the rules gets shut down by higher-ups.

       

       

    This has no bearing on reality.   Anyone is allowed to discuss rule changes and policies, and as long as it doesn't devolve in to personal attacks or trolling no admin takes steps to stop it.   Case in point- this thread where I, as a head admin and logical human being, think some people are completely full of crap and still it continues.  

     

    Note-  just because we don't decide to do the thing you're proposing does not mean we shut you down- it means we decided not to do it.   There is a difference.

     

    If the mod in that screenshot wants to talk to someone they can approach me directly and I'll be happy to discuss whatever they have in mind.  Ask EeHee or whoever you want- I'll talk to you even if I don't agree with you and I'll talk to you with respect (if not brutal honesty). 

     

    • Rules are selectively enforced, for unknown reasons.

       

       

    That "power" #3 above-  The one where we give mods the power to make judgement calls?  Sometimes this results in uneven application of policy.  We try to minimize it and keep training consistent, but you can never remove the human factor from having 50 different people help mod the servers.  Server admins have broad power on their own servers to make judgement calls too.   What might be perfectly ok on C might not be ok on P.  Each server has their own culture and admins who shape that culture.

     

    It is human nature to try to find conspiracy where the most logical conclusion stares you in the face.  What makes more sense- that the admins have a secret cabal to selectively enforce rules, or that human beings might all approach a problem from different angles and their individual personalities and views shape how they handle that situation?

     

    • Admins can make choices unilaterally and ignore mod protest.

       

       

    You are absolutely correct on this one.   Nerd.nu is not a democracy.   Mods don't get to tell admins what to do.  We do not have 100 chiefs and no indians.   I, or any other admin, does not need mod permission or approval to make any change or policy decision because thats fucking nuts.   There is no organization on earth where staff gets to tell management how to do their job.  Why you would think this community was any different is kinda odd.

     

    Yes, we care about feedback from mods and players.  Yes, you are allowed to voice your opinion and we'll listen.   I know I have had my opinion swayed in the past by input (or protest, whatever word you think will make your points more inflammatory) from players, mods, and server admins.   However, just like everything else in life, there is no guarantee that your feedback will be deemed prudent or valid for any given situation.

     

    Players and mods can always provide input, but admins make decisions.  Thats how it always has been, how it is, and how it always will be.

     

    • A player who is actively trying to scam/steal from others is being allowed to continue doing so by the admin.

       

       

    I am not going to comment on any specific players or cases, but I know that this case is still being discussed as of tonight by the server admins.   Just because you don't get to see the decision making going on behind the curtain does not give you the right to bash the admins who run the most popular server in the community, period.

     

    If you have input that is relevant to the case please send it in a PM or email it to admins@nerd.nu.  Otherwise, I'd appreciate it if you could avoid trying to throw some of the most active and fair admins on staff under the bus because you're out of the loop.

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  8. [AC] Server Description

    in The Archives

    Posted

    Also, Avada (who is mod on /r/mcservers and will approve our posts) has offered to write descriptions for any nerd server if we like.  He might be a good resource to give you your starting place, even if you edit what he gives you.   He'll at least give you the right format to be approved in the subreddit.

  9. The "Toxic" Debacle

    in Minecraft General

    Posted

    We're reading it all, have no doubt. If I or any other head wanted this thread closed it would be closed.  I have nothing against open discussion about any topic, but if it continues to move toward personal attacks on people then I'll wrap it up.

     

    Keep conversation going = thread stays open.  Nobody is trying to stifle that.

     

    Start attacking each other = thread gets shut down.  Nobody wants to read that.

     

    Pretty easy, eh?

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  10. [PMC] Rules-at-a-glance proposal

    in The Archives

    Posted

    I think this "at a glance" ruleset is fantastic.

     

    I am of the belief that shorter, more concise rules are always better- thats why I condensed the rules on C to 5 signs instead of 20+ when I was a cadmin, and why I am all for simple, bullet point policies.  With that in mind, I don't agree with using these rules and linking to a long essay form list of rules.  

     

    Administrative actions and bans will always be at the discretion of the mod or, if put up for review, admins, so I don't see the reason for having a long description.  "No bigotry / hate speech"  means no bigotry or hate speech.  Why does this need to be expanded?   I don't think, in a game of blocks, we need to link to a more verbose, expanded set of rules.    Having long, verbose rules only leads to rule lawyering because by making more descriptive rules that cover specific cases you just make it easy to operate outside those specific cases and come back with "well you said I couldn't do this, but I did this so bad ban aboose aboose."

     

    How about we just have these simple, easy to understand rules and leave it at that?   Why make long rule lawyer versions for the 1% of players who will use it to be a pain in the ass?  If they want to lawyer, let them do it in their ban appeal and and tell them how it is.

     

    I guess the point I'm getting at is this:

     

    These concise rules are great for 99% of players.  For the other 1% of players that need long drawn out descriptions- fuck em.  We are not here to cater to the trouble makers, we're here to keep the general server population happy and have fun.

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  14. Davidiv [Bardidley]

    in Closed Ban Appeals

    Posted

    Ban for Davidiv on c.nerd.nu for Repeated chat spam on C nerd.nu/appeal by Bardidley on 2015-02-04T02:02:41.607 (no more bans, 2 notes)

     

    Note #39713 for Davidiv on c.nerd.nu: warned for chat spam and disruptive behavior on C. by Bardidley on 2015-02-03T22:02:08.106

    Note #39527 for Davidiv on c.nerd.nu: Kicked for homophobia. by Minotaur on 2015-01-18T10:13:49.518

     

    Sit tight.  The admin who banned you will reply to your appeal as soon as they can.

  18. The "Toxic" Debacle

    in Minecraft General

    Posted

    I remember the old days where this shit didn't happen and I feel like the staff could have easily just banned everyone who had an attitude worthy of allowing themselves to be labeled toxic. I think the reason they don't do this is because deep down inside they know this particular crusade while controversial is also noble. So instead they let it fester in public chat and allow our opinions to be ignored thanks to all the new players who didn't know how things used to be and are happy to argue with a historically limited view of the whole ordeal. 

     

    wat

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  22. 1.8 Armour Stands we should have

    in Minecraft General

    Posted

    [23:26:23]  jchance: Dumbo52 I have pinged you https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/3159-18-armour-stands-we-should-have/#entry24783

    [23:26:41]  jchance: in a very public fashion, therefore you must respond

    [23:26:46]  jchance high fives

    [23:26:50]  jchance: GO TEAM!

    [23:27:53]  Dumbo52: I don't even think the Bukkit API supports armor stands yet, but I guess I'll figure out a way...

    [23:30:39]  Dumbo52: jchance: My only criterion is that you must come up with a name for it first. I hate thinking up plugin names.

    [23:30:49]  jchance: NerdStands

    [23:30:58]  jchance: EasyStands

    [23:31:09]  jchance: STANDMASTER9000

    [23:31:20]  jchance: pls use Standmaster9000

    [23:31:42]  Dumbo52: Ok, will do.

     

     

     

     

    There you go-  Standmaster9000®  plugin coming Soon™.

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