gizzletinks [Mumberthrax]

[Gizzletinks]

im very sorry for spawn camping and will never kill anyone at spawn again. also i was only killing at two of the roads, the person didn't even try to go down a different one

Edited December 21, 2014 by Gizzletinks

[SwitchViewz]

Hey there gizzletinks, please wait for Mumberthrax to respond to your appeal. If no one has responded within 48 hours please feel free to BUMP (Bring Up My Post) your appeal.

Ban Information:
Ban for gizzletinks on c.nerd.nu for Spawncamping on survival nerd.nu/appeal by Mumberthrax (no more bans, no notes)

Previous appeal:
https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/2891-gizzletinks-mumberthrax/

[Mumberthrax]

Hey gizzletinks, Thanks for taking this seriously this time.

 

Just so we all have the same information available to us, here are the logs relevant to your ban:

 

2014-12-20 17:10:12 | DerpyMarshmellow[] logged in with entity id 48593 at ([world] 1.4378347108995324, 78.0, 532.9139432719685)

2014-12-20 17:10:21 | <DerpyMarshmellow> woo

2014-12-20 17:12:17 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:12:21 | <DerpyMarshmellow> why

2014-12-20 17:12:26 | <DerpyMarshmellow> why did you do that

2014-12-20 17:12:28 | <GizzleTinks> because mruagier is camping me

2014-12-20 17:12:30 | <DerpyMarshmellow> that was mean

2014-12-20 17:12:42 | <DerpyMarshmellow> NO IT FUCKING WASNT

2014-12-20 17:12:53 | <DerpyMarshmellow> YOU WERE RUNNING AFTER ME DIPSHIT

2014-12-20 17:12:59 | <GizzleTinks> i didn't chase you

2014-12-20 17:13:06 | <GizzleTinks> YOU ATTACKED ME AND CAMPED ME BASE

2014-12-20 17:13:06 | <DerpyMarshmellow> YES YOU DID

2014-12-20 17:13:16 | <DerpyMarshmellow> I DIDNT HIT YOU ONCE

2014-12-20 17:13:19 | <GizzleTinks> stop camping my base DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:13:24 | <DerpyMarshmellow> THIS IS MY FIRST TIMW ON

2014-12-20 17:13:28 | <GizzleTinks> stop attacking me!

2014-12-20 17:13:37 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:13:37 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:13:43 | <DerpyMarshmellow> STOP

2014-12-20 17:13:43 | <GizzleTinks> stop camping me!

2014-12-20 17:13:49 | <GizzleTinks> you keep camping my base!

2014-12-20 17:14:06 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:14:06 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:14:09 | <GizzleTinks> STOP!

2014-12-20 17:14:11 | <DerpyMarshmellow> no im not

2014-12-20 17:14:16 | <GizzleTinks> why do you keep attacking me

2014-12-20 17:14:17 | <DerpyMarshmellow> im just trying to leave spawn

2014-12-20 17:14:22 | <GizzleTinks> i join this server and everyone attacks me

2014-12-20 17:14:23 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i didnt even hit you

2014-12-20 17:14:29 | <DerpyMarshmellow> your attacking me

2014-12-20 17:14:29 | <GizzleTinks> i should leave just because of you DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:14:34 | Mumberthrax issued server command: /warn gizzletinks you need to stop trolling

2014-12-20 17:14:37 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i didnt even touch you

2014-12-20 17:14:45 | <GizzleTinks> admins DerpyMarshmellow is campring me

2014-12-20 17:14:52 | <DerpyMarshmellow> your a bad person bad people lie ou have a problem

2014-12-20 17:15:01 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /warnings

2014-12-20 17:15:04 | <DerpyMarshmellow> no i not

2014-12-20 17:15:14 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i dont even have anything in my inventory

2014-12-20 17:15:22 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:15:22 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:15:27 | <GizzleTinks> omg!

2014-12-20 17:15:28 | <DerpyMarshmellow> please stop

2014-12-20 17:15:43 | <GizzleTinks> derpy!

2014-12-20 17:15:48 | <DerpyMarshmellow> what?

2014-12-20 17:15:57 | <GizzleTinks> your mean

2014-12-20 17:16:04 | <DerpyMarshmellow> I HAVENT HIT YOU ONCE

2014-12-20 17:16:13 | <DerpyMarshmellow> YOU KEEP SPAWN KILLING ME

2014-12-20 17:16:18 | <GizzleTinks> everyone saw you hit me

2014-12-20 17:16:26 | Mumberthrax issued server command: /mute gizzletinks

2014-12-20 17:16:37 | <DerpyMarshmellow> no one seen me hit you do you have some mental issue?

2014-12-20 17:16:39 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /modreq omg mooted y?

2014-12-20 17:16:49 | <DerpyMarshmellow> finally

2014-12-20 17:16:51 | iamdarb killed DerpyMarshmellow with a diamond sword

2014-12-20 17:16:51 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:16:59 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> gizzle stop camping my base

2014-12-20 17:17:03 | <DerpyMarshmellow> can you guys stop killing me please

2014-12-20 17:17:16 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i havent even gotten a chance to leave spaen

2014-12-20 17:17:35 | AvadaKedavra03 killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:17:35 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:17:46 | <DerpyMarshmellow> you guys arent letting me leave spawn

2014-12-20 17:17:58 | <DerpyMarshmellow> you keep hitting me before i can leave

2014-12-20 17:18:04 | <DerpyMarshmellow> you have 2 hit swords

2014-12-20 17:18:08 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> warp signs rly

2014-12-20 17:18:27 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /check

2014-12-20 17:18:31 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i just started and you people keep killing me how am i supposed to see those signs

2014-12-20 17:18:42 | [GizzleTinks -> DerpyMarshmellow] omg

2014-12-20 17:18:48 | [GizzleTinks -> DerpyMarshmellow] why u kamp mehhh

2014-12-20 17:18:50 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i dont see signs

2014-12-20 17:18:52 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:18:52 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:19:00 | <DerpyMarshmellow> can you please stop now

(note: there was an issue with the server logs when i issued the /kick command, but here is the line from my client logs for this part:)

[18:18:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] User GizzleTinks has been kicked by Mumberthrax. (stop spawncamping) while on survival

2014-12-20 17:19:00 | GizzleTinks left the game.

2014-12-20 17:19:03 | <DerpyMarshmellow> its not funny

2014-12-20 17:19:11 | GizzleTinks[/] logged in with entity id 67937 at ([world] 29.206857831658265, 89.0155550727022, 48.98287719420763)

2014-12-20 17:19:13 | AvadaKedavra03 issued server command: /rules

2014-12-20 17:19:37 | <DerpyMarshmellow> dont kill me please i have no sprint

2014-12-20 17:19:42 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> haha umad

2014-12-20 17:19:45 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> cant cathc me

2014-12-20 17:19:53 | Mrgauthier34 killed GizzleTinks with a diamond sword

2014-12-20 17:19:55 | <DerpyMarshmellow> what?

2014-12-20 17:20:08 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /modreq ime muted pls umot

2014-12-20 17:20:20 | <DerpyMarshmellow> srop

2014-12-20 17:20:24 | <DerpyMarshmellow> bab

2014-12-20 17:20:26 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a fist

2014-12-20 17:20:26 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:20:35 | <DerpyMarshmellow> can you stop gizzle please

2014-12-20 17:20:44 | <DerpyMarshmellow> admin ban him

2014-12-20 17:20:59 | AvadaKedavra03 killed sheyflan with a gold sword

2014-12-20 17:21:01 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /modreq un kick me i only kill on yellow

2014-12-20 17:21:10 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:21:10 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:21:17 | <DerpyMarshmellow> STOP KILLING ME

2014-12-20 17:21:23 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> bro

2014-12-20 17:21:28 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> your only getting killed on yellow

2014-12-20 17:21:33 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> so stop coming down yellopw

2014-12-20 17:21:43 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:21:43 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:21:56 | <DerpyMarshmellow> no people hate me they keep killing me

2014-12-20 17:22:04 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i have no sprint either

2014-12-20 17:22:14 | <DerpyMarshmellow> just let me leave spawn please

2014-12-20 17:22:16 | [Mumberthrax -> GizzleTinks] I muted you because you continued trolling after being warned

2014-12-20 17:22:23 | <DerpyMarshmellow> no

2014-12-20 17:22:24 | AvadaKedavra03 killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:22:24 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:22:25 | [GizzleTinks -> Mumberthrax] i wasnt worned

2014-12-20 17:22:34 | <DerpyMarshmellow> let me leave spawn please

2014-12-20 17:22:36 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> wait bounty

2014-12-20 17:22:46 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> yay

2014-12-20 17:23:14 | AvadaKedavra03 killed sheyflan with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:23:18 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> nope

2014-12-20 17:23:32 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> want to be friends

2014-12-20 17:23:32 | <DerpyMarshmellow> stop

2014-12-20 17:23:42 | Mrgauthier34 killed GizzleTinks with a diamond sword

2014-12-20 17:23:52 | <DerpyMarshmellow> thank you finally he died

2014-12-20 17:24:25 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /check

2014-12-20 17:24:26 | <DerpyMarshmellow> stop spawn killing people

2014-12-20 17:24:47 | <DerpyMarshmellow> i dont know where i am

2014-12-20 17:24:56 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> shey flame want to be protected by gizzletinks

2014-12-20 17:25:11 | GizzleTinks issued server command: /modlist

2014-12-20 17:25:24 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:25:25 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow, 10xIRON_INGOT:0

2014-12-20 17:25:29 | <DerpyMarshmellow> stop

2014-12-20 17:25:51 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:25:51 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow, 1xIRON_INGOT:0

2014-12-20 17:26:02 | <DerpyMarshmellow> please stop

2014-12-20 17:26:23 | Mrgauthier34 killed AvadaKedavra03 with a diamond sword

2014-12-20 17:26:30 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> congrats u got 5 points

2014-12-20 17:26:36 | GizzleTinks killed DerpyMarshmellow with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:26:37 | [KitchenSink] [drops] DerpyMarshmellow

2014-12-20 17:26:40 | GizzleTinks killed sheyflan with a stone sword

2014-12-20 17:26:42 | <DerpyMarshmellow> stop

2014-12-20 17:26:43 | DerpyMarshmellow lost connection: Disconnected

2014-12-20 17:26:43 | CommandHelper: DerpyMarshmellow logged out at ([world] 0.5, 134.0, 0.5)

2014-12-20 17:26:43 | DerpyMarshmellow left the game.

2014-12-20 17:26:53 | [5th]<AvadaKedavra03> :P

2014-12-20 17:27:01 | Mumberthrax issued server command: /ban gizzletinks Spawncamping on survival

 

And here's the album of images i took at each location you killed derpymarshmellow within a 128 meter radius around spawn in the span of about 13 minutes. https://imgur.com/a/HecKQ

 

I think the images speak for themselves, personally.

 

So I see a few issues here, in more or less chronological order:

1) trolling

2) disregarding the warning about trolling, and continuing

3) spawncamping

4) spamming the /modreq command

5) lying about being warned for spawncamping

6) disregarding the warning about spawncamping, and continuing

7) lying again in your previous appeal about spawncamping

8) treating the appeal process like it is a joke in your previous appeal

 

So what's going on? Your appeal for your previous ban just two weeks ago you treated with similar disrespect. Do you actually want to play on our servers? What explanation can you offer for your conduct with this stuff?

[Gizzletinks]

first of all, I don't even see how its spawncamping, We even told this person we would allow him to leave from another side of spawn, we just killed him at one side of it, and as you can see from the logs, the last few times I killed him, He dropped iron from somewhere, so I killed him one last time to see if he had any more iron. The player also easily could have utilized the signs in spawn that teleport you to a random area in the vicinity, that he was even told about by you.( I don't even see why there is a rule against spawn camping if those are available). Also, My ban is for spawn camping, not trolling, but in that aspect, It wasn't exactly one sided, he called me a dipshit (2014-12-20 17:12:53 | <DerpyMarshmellow> YOU WERE RUNNING AFTER ME DIPSHIT)

Edited December 23, 2014 by Gizzletinks

[Mumberthrax]

Earlier in your first appeal you denied that you were spawn camping, then you apologize for spawn camping and promise never to kill anyone at spawn again, and now you're back to denying that you were spawn camping. So i'm a bit confused because you're telling me two different things.

 

I'm not here to be a big meanie to you, gizzle. I'm here to find out if I unban you if the rules are likely to be broken again, and I decide that by trying to discern if you feel any remorse or if you have reformed in any way.

 

I'm curious as well to find out is what's behind the conduct I outlined above - because maybe if I know what the deal is then I can feel more at ease letting you back onto the servers if i know how to help. Help me help you to get back on the servers, gizzletinks. Are you claiming the ban was not just, or are you conceding that you made some mistakes and want to play again?

 

If you're conceding you made some mistakes, show me some sign that you've got some remorse beyond being upset at not being able to play, or some sign that you have reformed and won't be spawncamping or trolling again. I mean heck, looking at the logs above its apparent this person was getting pretty upset by your behavior, even to the point that they disconnected from the server. That's not good.

 

If you believe the ban was not just, maybe we don't have a clear enough common definition of spawn camping? Is this all a big misunderstanding? What would you define spawn camping as? Maybe we can come to figure out where the problem is and fix it for the future.

 

Or hey, maybe it's a little of both. That's ok too. But I need to know where you stand before this appeal process can proceed.

[Gizzletinks]

 

Or hey, maybe it's a little of both.

 

I beleive its that, I think the current definition of spawn camping is too loose. Sometimes in the past it has been enforced as having to stop after a certain number of times, sometimes it has been enforced by were you killed a person, and by popular opinion at the time.

 

Also, One reason in the past I have spawn camped, is to draw out attention, and get people in armor to come and fight, to stop the bad guy, as a way to make pvp.

 

Now with the lower player numbers, there ins't always someone to defend the people being spawn camped, which is a real problem.

 

Earlier in your first appeal you denied that you were spawn camping, then you apologize for spawn camping and promise never to kill anyone at spawn again, and now you're back to denying that you were spawn camping. So i'm a bit confused because you're telling me two different things.

As to this, Spawn camping is loosely defined, the "rule breaking" spawn camping, that I and a lot of other players have come to know over the past revisions, as it has mainly been enforced this way, is not allowing people out of spawn no matter what road they go down, and by allowing them to go down other roads than the one your camping, it wouldn't be considered spawn camping.

 

As to the spawn camping of DerpyMarshmallow, I was definitely being a meanie, and took it way to far in an attempt to drudge up some fighting action, sadly, S currently doesn't have the numbers for that. Instead of killing new players to try and get experienced ones to attack you, I think the best thing to get PvP on survival now to keep and get new players would be to help out the new players by giving them some starting supplies and food, and letting them be for a while and to get established before visciously slaughtering them in their base, allowing a much more fair fight.

[Mumberthrax]

I appreciate you working with me on this. It means a lot. Lets clear up the definition of spawn camping real quick. You're right that spawn camping isn't clearly explicated in detail in our rules. The basic idea is sustained repetitive killing of players in or around the spawn area, which prevents players from escaping out into the map. The existence of other spawn exit points is no excuse for continual player harassment in this manner.

 

The intention behind the rule against spawn camping is to allow people the freedom to play the game. If someone keeps on killing them over and over, preventing them from getting out and collecting resources or getting back to their base, they are going to become bored (if not frustrated or upset).

 

The player also easily could have utilized the signs in spawn that teleport you to a random area in the vicinity, that he was even told about by you.( I don't even see why there is a rule against spawn camping if those are available)

 

The teleport signs are there not as a substitution for the rules. They are provided as a convenience for the player, as well as a deterrent to campers - same as with the mechanism that causes players to return to spawn if they die near their bed.

 

You can argue ignorance of the rule, and even by your own definition you were not simply preventing them from going down gold road, but killing by gold, red, emerald roads, as well as several times right in spawn proper even after being kick/warned.

 

I was definitely being a meanie, and took it way to far in an attempt to drudge up some fighting action, sadly, S currently doesn't have the numbers for that. Instead of killing new players to try and get experienced ones to attack you, I think the best thing to get PvP on survival now to keep and get new players would be to help out the new players by giving them some starting supplies and food, and letting them be for a while and to get established before visciously slaughtering them in their base, allowing a much more fair fight.

 

I'm really happy to hear you providing an alternative course of action to solve the problem your villainy was meant to address. I consider this proposed course of action to be a sign of reform to a degree. If you were to follow through with that plan I'd be ecstatic. I'm glad too that you acknowledge that you took it way too far.

 

Reading the trolling in the logs posted up above is concerning. I understand the idea that you were trying to provide a villain, a reason for people to PvP. That's understandable, and I applaud and thank you for your intention of helping the server. What continues to concern me is your initial response to being warned for taking the trolling too far. You saw the warning, and you kept on. Then after you were muted, you messaged the player directly continuing it.

 

The pattern of disregard for warnings repeated when you were kicked with the warning to stop spawncamping, and you continued.

 

I'm not going to worry about the modreq spam or lying about being warned. It was annoying, but not a major part of the reason behind your ban.

 

Lastly: your appeal, which you treated like a joke previously in a similar style to the way you approached your appeal for your last ban. This kind of conduct was even recently clarified as explicitly disallowed by a head admin in a post at the very top of this appeals section of the forums. https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/2865-ban-appeal-policy/

 

I'm willing to accept that maybe you were operating in ignorance of the rules about spawncamping - I'd be willing to be lenient for that reason and because this is the first time you've been banned for spawn camping. That you acknowledge you took it way too far even by your own definitions of spawncamping, and even offered an alternative course of action is great too!

 

We're almost through this, I can feel it. I just want to give you this opportunity to respond to these remaining issues/concerns: 1) disregarding the warnings 2) treating the appeal process like a joke.

 

I think you've been treating this second appeal seriously, which is wonderful, and it doesn't really explain why your last appeal, and the appeal for your last ban were treated differently. Its okay too if you don't have an explanation or don't want to offer one. But I'll give you a bit to offer any comments you'd like before setting an unban date. Also, merry christmas! (and if you don't celebrate, then Happy Holidays!)

[Gizzletinks]

last appea"trolling"l: disastisfied with way land was handled, with no warning it was being foreclosed or that it had been, leaving no way to tell it wasn't in clans possesion.

 

warnings: took it too far with spawn camping

 

sorry no way to quote, on phone.

 

merry christmas and happy new year

 

edit: autocorrect

Edited December 25, 2014 by Gizzletinks

[Mumberthrax]

Alright gizzletinks. A 1 week ban seems fair given the circumstances. Next time a moderator or admin warns you to stop doing something, you need to stop. Next time you make a ban appeal, treat it seriously.

 

As it's been a week, you're unbanned.