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I was banned for making my signature a short alphanumeric string, specifically [removed]

My MCBouncer note, however, says "Long term negative influence on community"

I expect that a long list of every little transgression I've ever made will make an appearance, and my socialization with known Toxic Players will most likely have a negative effect.

I would also request for a different admin to handle this, but with Avada's recent appeal, the proper processes can be removed at admin discretion, so that most likely won't happen.

This ban came without warning, without notification but for this, once I woke up this morning and checked the forums, as I do.


So, let's get the show going. I fully expect that due process will not be used here, and that I will be cast out as so many disliked by the admins have been before. If I even get to reply with a rebuttal, it will be surprising.

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The "short alphanumeric string" is the image ID on imgur that you were asked to remove, refused, and then removed by admins twice.


For the sake of brevity, why don't you just explain your thought process to me when you re-added the string to your signature.  Please, be detailed and specific.   I honestly would like to know what goes on in your head when you do things.

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"I guess its kinda for accountability, or something" - jchance, 2015


Also please state when you're going to edit my posts for necessary information. Yes, it was originally from an imgur link, but I removed all but the /INFO of it. No one would know what it was, what it said, what it contained, where it even existed if you hadn't kept harassing me to remove it. As you're own signature says, accountability. That's all I want from nerd but with such leadership as this, the patronizing tone of which you treat those who appeal, accountability is trodden into the dust.


Also my "refusal" of taking it down wasn't, as I said I would the next time I was at my desktop. I was on a road trip all last week, and only returned yesterday.

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Actually, this is our conversation about the signature.  Nowhere did you say you would remove it.   As a matter of fact, you replaced it after I removed it.




Also, I don't think my asking you nicely to remove it is "harassment" in the least.   That was me being nice and treating you with respect, something it appears you are not capable of if you think we're either too inept or too stupid to figure out what your "short alphanumeric string" was.  It took all of 12 seconds to figure that one out.


Every interaction I've ever had with you, from the tone of your ban and warning point appeals to PMs on the forums have had the same tempo- the constant rule lawyering and trying to skirt around the rules to get your troll across without being banned is tiring and has worn out more than one admin in the past.  


I don't know what your problem is.  Maybe you think you're smarter than the admins.  Maybe you have made pushing people's buttons for the lulz in to your game instead of actually playing minecraft.  Honestly, at this point I don't care anymore.


I have taken the time to look through your post history on the forums and your contributions.  I have looked at your removed posts and threads, what notes people have sent me about your behavior in the past, how your trolling of nerd.nu players has extended on occasion outside our services to reddit and steam, and I have taken the time to see your play time on all the servers.  I have determined that, although it may be an unpopular opinion among a small subset of players, nerd.nu in general will be better off without you and the discontent you sow.


I'll go ahead and head off the "Who do you think you are?" comment now-  I think I'm a head admin with the job of looking at the overall health of the community and making hard decisions.  Some of those hard decisions include removing the people who have no respect for authority, the 10% that cause 90% of the drama and trolling.   You are one of those people.  Not least importantly, I'm tired of dealing with issues around you and your behavior.  


I'm happy to leave this appeal open for the next few days so that any other head admin who may not agree with me can comment.

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My mistake, it was a separate moderator who asked me to remove it.


I notice my request for a different admin was denied. It would be nice to have an appeal without the personal attacks.


The "rule lawyering" is a demonstration of how two different people can do the same thing, and yet here I am while they continue their ways.


What I dont understand is that people are mad over a signature that can be hidden, over something so inconsequential yet they get all up in a fuss whenever anything is made that even resembles deriding a certain player.


I don't play Minecraft. Yet Im still here. I run the Nerd.nu Gaming steam group, as some have so loudly objected to. I try to get the Gaming Community to do more than Minecraft, but because I am a troll, a harasser, I am ignored and derided by even the staff.


Can I get a different head admin who isnt previously biased against me to tell me the exact reasons, and the full list of what jchance implies exists of my wrongs? Or will I be shut down because of said bias?

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I understand now, looking back, that I should have removed it and spoke to you about the issue with it and not added it back until it was resolved.


I apologize for what I did and realize it is a gray area. However, I feel me being banned through the community interaction policy is a bit overkill. This policy is much too vague and can be manipulated to cover almost anything. I believe a removal from the community is not fair in this situation but suggest a three month ban for not listening to your demands is fair.


Hopefully we can come to a conclusion here without my removal from the community.

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I apologize for the delay in response, but I have been taking a few days to discuss this with the other heads and decide on a course of action.  


I think you will agree, I don't want to make a hasty decision on this appeal because there are some deep seated community issues at play here on all sides.  Thank you for your patience and I will update this appeal soon.

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The community interaction policy was intentionally written to cover broad categories of issues without being specific- it was done this way on purpose to prevent rule lawyering and people going around specific named cases.    It has been used to curtail a very small portion of the community from, for lack of a better word, being dicks to each other.  99% of this community has no issue with it because they don't do the things that policy was designed to prevent.


In that sense, it is effective and doing its job.  


I'll level with you d3, I don't want to ban you (temp or perm).  While I think you lack tact, its obvious you want to be here and I think your input can have merit if you could learn to present it in a less combative way and stop this petty bullshit with the other player.  I've been thinking about this for several days and I've alternated between several options here.


I could:


1.  Ban you forever, deal with 2-3 months of fallout and 5 or 6 angry players, and then move on.   This is the easiest solution for the head admins.


2.  Ban you temp for 3 months, deal with fallout from mods and admins who think you should be banned perm, and wait 3 months and see if you've grown out of whatever this petty thing is between you and Twilexis.  This basically punishes you, but it doesn't solve the problem and I have a strong suspicion you'll either continue your actions outside of nerd.nu services or start right back up when you're let back in.


3.  I could force arbitration and an ultimatum and not ban you-  You will get in a PM with everyone involved and the heads and workout whatever your problems are, and after that If any of you do one more thing that could be construed as harassment against the other you're gone, forever.  There will be no lawyering, no drawn out appeals.  A line in the sand.  This will let you be personally accountable for how you act, give you an opportunity to patch up whatever the problem is, and then an expectation going forward.


I'm honestly leaning toward 3 at this point.  I'm so, so tired of dealing with this harassment crap between a handful of players.  I'm tired of my forum inbox filling up with complaining about and from the same handful of people.  I'm ready for you all to work it out like adults or be gone from this place.

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The other party has refused arbitration.   With that in mind, you have been banned for 2 weeks which I feel is sufficient for a forum signature quoting another player.


You are unbanned.


Please refrain from any other activities that could be construed as harassment toward the other individual.  Honestly, its best if you just avoid interacting with the other player at all, or posting anything that could be seen as an attack against their person or character.


The penalty for the next occurrence will be more severe than either of us will like.

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