Poppyspy [Trooprm32]

[Poppyspy]

This is just regarding the closed appeal that can no longer be responded to.

 

https://nerd.nu/forums/index.php?/topic/2660-poppyspy-trooprm32/

 

It should be considered how players are interpreting the documented rules.  You cannot expect those who have only played on your servers just recently to understand the historical relevance of rules as if they have played on these servers for years and understand the precise state of establishment based on that history.  If a player is clearly confused about how things are run & gives logical reasons why the rule wasn't clear or was confusing. I'd hope you consider it & not just respond with “This has always been the case” in expectation that everyone knows what you know has always been the case.  

 

What an xray clearly is or is not isn't documented well on that wiki.  Based on what Trooprm32 described in the appeal as “Any Xray” would have you believe that the client modification Zyin’s HUD is not allowed.  On the contrary it is because other moderators & the server community clearly has a historical view of acceptance towards Zyin’s HUD and suggests it to players even though the modification allows you to clearly see animal information through geometry which should qualify as usage of an xray especially regarding the explanation of “Any Xray”.  So "any xray" can't be correct & It appears there is an unrealistic expectation that players understand historical details or past issues while interpreting the documented rules regarding what "any xray" is.

 

If the only things the written rules clarify as xray is the usage of client modifications to achieve ore & the server community has an acceptance for some client modification such as Zyin's HUD that have detection capabilities just short of ore detection, you might actually consider why someone would be confused on what the rules actually are in regards to the term xray as well as how this appeal manifested and transpired.

[Mrloud15]

Hello Poppyspy, Trooprm32 has asked me to take over this appeal for him, andI just wanted to let you know that I have seen this and will be replying later today.

[Poppyspy]

Glowstone is probably somewhat of an exploit that should of been considered and asked about, however it was something that was believed didn't qualify as a hack or mod related to gathering ore as that was what appeared to be what the rules were trying to thwart.   

 

just wanted to convey the confusion of the severity of what this was over!

[Mrloud15]

Hello Poppyspy, I'm sorry that it the no xray rule was not clear enough for you. The padmins have created a list of allowed mods on PvE, so this should clear up any confusion about what mods are allowed and not. As for using a glowstone bug to xray, even if you belived it did not fall under the no xray rule, it most definitely falls under the "No use of bugs or exploits" rule. 

 

For future reference, it's always better to ask if something is against the rules than to try to interpret the rules yourself.

[buzzie71]

It has come to my attention since you were banned that there were accusations that you have stolen villagers from a town (Whiteoak) without prior consent. A moderator who suspected this spoke with you earlier:

 

2014-10-09 11:21:52 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Hey there, do you have a few minutes to chat?
 
2014-10-09 11:22:02 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] ya
 
2014-10-09 11:22:27 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] I wanted to ask about the villagers that you took from Whiteoak, specifically the 2 perfect
 
2014-10-09 11:22:33 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] librarians that we had
 
2014-10-09 11:22:55 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Why did you take them?
 
2014-10-09 11:24:30 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] a friend of mine was fooling around with them, i believe that they died
 
2014-10-09 11:24:40 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] i wasn't sure what exactly happened with them
 
2014-10-09 11:24:58 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] I just know it happened
 
2014-10-09 11:25:17 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] He was on your account?
 
2014-10-09 11:25:24 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] i heard several guys died, but i didn't know about it
 
2014-10-09 11:25:47 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] yeah, me and my cooworker
 
2014-10-09 11:26:14 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] So let me get this right
 
2014-10-09 11:26:33 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Your friend, and a coworker, who happened to be on your account, found whiteoak's villager
 
2014-10-09 11:26:48 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] area, proceded to take the 2 perfect librarians, ship them through the portal
 
2014-10-09 11:27:01 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] through the nether, to spawn, and then to your cane farm with other villagers
 
2014-10-09 11:27:11 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] and then put them in a villaer stall, with the rest of your villagers?
 
2014-10-09 11:27:24 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] While also replacing the villagers that were taken with other librarians to cover it up
 
2014-10-09 11:27:25 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] yeah he said he was trying to move them around and they died in the nether
 
2014-10-09 11:28:09 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] "move them around" across the map??
 
2014-10-09 11:28:27 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] we already had paper merchants here
 
2014-10-09 11:28:54 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Correct, but one of the paper matches 100% with one of the paper traders that we lost
 
2014-10-09 11:28:58 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] WHich is pretty much impossible
 
2014-10-09 11:29:12 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] To get the exact same trades from unlocking him
 
2014-10-09 11:29:28 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] exact same trades?
 
2014-10-09 11:29:43 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Yes, same ehcnahts, same order, same paper, everything
 
2014-10-09 11:29:58 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] All i know is that he said he joined white oak and was using their merchants and they they ended
 
2014-10-09 11:30:02 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] up dieing
 
2014-10-09 11:30:16 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] but he plays all the time
 
2014-10-09 11:30:47 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] As this is your account, you are responsible for who plays on it and what they do
 
2014-10-09 11:31:09 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Stealing villagers and moving them across the map is a pretty serious offense
 
2014-10-09 11:31:18 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Especially when they are found, back in your base
 
2014-10-09 11:31:29 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] where are they found here?
 
2014-10-09 11:31:36 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] One of them were yes
 
2014-10-09 11:31:46 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] i hope it's not the ones that got broken
 
2014-10-09 11:31:46 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] The other looks like he died in the nether
 
2014-10-09 11:31:52 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] cause we got like 4 of those now
 
2014-10-09 11:32:06 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] He's not
 
2014-10-09 11:32:21 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Hes, if I recall correctly, one of the only perfect paper traders you have left
 
2014-10-09 11:32:38 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] we have 3 now
 
2014-10-09 11:32:43 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] and 3 broken
 
2014-10-09 11:32:51 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] and 1 with gold at the end
 
2014-10-09 11:33:04 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] well 1 needs last trade unlocked hes very recent
 
2014-10-09 11:33:23 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] we move these guys around alot
 
2014-10-09 11:33:32 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] so i'm not sure which one it is
 
2014-10-09 11:33:41 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] but i think it's 1 of these 2
 
2014-10-09 11:34:35 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] I have one question, how did your friend find out where our villagers were?
 
2014-10-09 11:34:59 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] not sure i assume there were just there
 
2014-10-09 11:35:17 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] There locked in a room that is hidden underground, so its hard to just
 
2014-10-09 11:35:19 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] I've seen chatting about them
 
2014-10-09 11:35:20 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] stumble upon them
 
2014-10-09 11:37:12 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] I don't mind whatever ya want to do, I think he just did stupid stuff
 
2014-10-09 11:37:26 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] I know that we get these paper guys like 1 in every 20
 
2014-10-09 11:37:38 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] og the white guys that is
 
2014-10-09 11:38:21 | [Moderator -> Poppyspy] Do your friend and coworker use your computer to play on your account?
 
2014-10-09 11:39:11 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] this account has only been used on a laptop and desktop
 
2014-10-09 11:39:17 | [Poppyspy -> Moderator] that i'm aware of

Regardless of who was at your computer, you are responsible for your own account.

Additionally, the trail of edits seen in LogBlock, showing rail placements from said hidden villager bunker to Whiteoak's portal, through the Nether, and out near spawn corroborate this pretty strongly: http://imgur.com/a/8Ufat

Thus, I believe you to also be guilty of mob theft, something that is explicitly prohibited in our rules:

 

Unless specific permission is given, killing or stealing mobs that are "owned" by other players is considered griefing.

Given the attention and persistence required to steal mobs (especially villagers) in this way, I feel this is something else to consider for Poppyspy's ban.

[Trooprm32]

Due to this new information going live in this thread; I'm extending your ban by a week for malicious mob griefing by this account.

 

Please appeal on the 16th or later after reading the rules HERE to be unbanned. Please note that you are responsible for your account, and any rule breaking such as this apply's to the account, not the player.