Darkelmo

Hello all, I have taken a long break from this community because minecraft bored me and so did many of the people who were around when I decided to leave. I've had a bit of a flick through the threads and topics on this site to get an idea of where the community is at now and I was wondering If I could pose a couple of questions to see if it were worth coming back P.S If this kind of post is against the rules, I'm sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop. Questions: Is the server still active or are the numbers thinning? What voice chat does the server use now? (mumble was empty) Is tobylane still here? Who are the current admins? Have you guys become even more anal about rule enforcement? Is survival still dead and forgotten? Are people still arguing over the old days of nerd.nu (which by the way, kicked ass) Are mods still horridly unequipped to deal with simple issues in game such as land disputes and teleporting people and mobs when they get trapped? Has the age demographic of C.NERD moved past the very early teens? Is nerd.nu virtually dead? That's all the questions I have, I hope somebody will be willing to answer. Researching all this stuff myself would be exhausting. Cheers, - Bad Apple

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Ok, Back in the day when I was but a wee lad, I was playing on survival and having a blast. I often got combat logged on all the time and so whenever I was in battle I'd do the same. Little did I know that logging was actually against the rules regardless of how often it was occurring (Maybe it was just a weird rev) even admitting that I was such a logger in public chat once. Anyways, these bans were 3 years ago if not longer and I'd love to have them remove to have my record be wiped clean. Thanks all, Bad_apple_797

While I am one more for private conversations when it comes to personal arguments and rebuttals, I am posting here in response to you only due to how you have expressed that you do not contact the community in other ways. For one, Your justification for verbally attacking me stemming from a 'blatant' undertone of sexism in the 'majority' of things that I said is a justification based on a complete and utter lie. I would like to have been known for the sake of this community who may easily fall victim to their minds over validating juicy gossip, that I in no way am a sexist individual and I don't believe any of the conversations that I have ever had on mumble were alluding to negativity towards either gender at any point. This is a misconstructed excuse for behavior exhibited towards me which quite frankly to others could be considered disgusting and patently immature but I have too much of a spine to let those kind of things get to me now. Know that I was a young, brash and outspoken individual when I started using mumble (I was a twelvie ffs) and I completely understand why many members (in their late teens and 20's) took to the classic internet troll, hate team attitude in relation to me. At age 13 when I first started using mumble and throughout my years using mumble, I have never had a sexist thought in my head while speaking to individuals. I spoke to males and females alike without any predispositions towards either gender. I have made plenty female friends on and away from the server and treat them with the same respect that I would treat any another human being with. I am learning the profession of teaching where there is an astounding ratio from females to males and i am surrounded by the lady pplz everyday without it being a bother at all. I attend a highly female focused university that has a strong advocacy for equal gender rights in the work place and other aspects of society and home-life. My mother was deeply and actively involved in interstate gender equality movements that span from workplace rights to public representation and such when she held me as an infant. Your allegation towards me while I don't give 2 shits whether it could be a justification for the way I was treated on mumble and such, is insulting and blatant evidence that you do not know a single fucking thing about me. 2. You were not the one who verbally attacked me on mumble, you were one of many people who engaged in taunting me, intentionally describing me with the words 'retard' and 'autistic' because I once dared to suggest to the community that out policy of acceptance respect should extend to all appropriate minorities such as the disabled (being that I worked in a disabled school at the time) before the thread was quickly shut down by the moderators. Whatever verbal crusade you think you went on in response to the evil immature things I apparently said on mumble was not the full extent of the harassment I underwent and I certainly believe that some of the characters who engaged in that would never have attributed it to retaliation towards my 'sexism'. Many who I have spoken to after all of this have boiled it down to the fact that it was fun and they were just being a troll. And that, I am totally ok with now because they aren't lying fucking scumbags about why they did things such as linking me to pornographic material to hear my young shrieks. It's people like you who were on their fucking high horse all the time when they did shit like this as if it was justice. Did I say mean personal shit to others during my time on mumble? Hell yeah I did, when I got older and wiser I made little effort out of making deserving people have a cry on mumble. Not with comments that were ban worthy but I just hit the personal nail on the head to give some of those fuckwits their own medicine. I just had to even mention the existence of a controversial topic only to see other people in the channel start arguments and break friendships due to their inability to respect an opinion without completely avoiding the subject in which the opinion was held. People's inability to handle adult concepts made for a ticking time bomb to a hilarious explosion of verbal conflict and incoherent juvenile babble. And I amused myself for a while, taking advantage of the community's tolerance for harassment that didn't fall into the categories of hatespeech, NSFW, or spam. But alas, I was made the enemy, for daring to become better at making others feel shit how they were able to make my younger self feel shit. I got muted and banned for 'interrupting people in mumble' (not my fault chat lag exists) and 'bringing up drama'. Along with a distasteful private message I sent to a particular moderator which merely held swearwords in it. That has been the only mumble ban I have ever been landed with and it had nothing to do with sexism. 3. Those staff members who were personally thanking you for standing up to me, surely would have banned me if I was being blatantly sexist or sexist at all. Why were they all for you engaging in counter abuse towards me instead of banning me themselves. What was stopping them? You are describing your friends as shitty moderators/admins if you believe that their only defense against a sexist misogynistic evil like me was your distasteful comments in response. 4. My former alias is not a former alias, I still use it 5. If I have ever made a remark that was sexist at all, it would never have been with any belief or emotional support behind the statement. If I ever did that, it would only be to offend a said individual who felt strongly about it and said person would have to had crossed every line to land themselves a statement like that from me. I am the kind of person who believes that just because it is widely unacceptable to have a certain view, it doesn't mean you get to hold invulnerability to any offence you may derive from it while expressing your own hateful view of something felt strongly by others. If someone has wronged me and the only way I can make them feel real shit is by saying something that is banned due how distasteful it is, I'm not pulling punches for the sake of this community's twisted, incomplete view of political correctness. I do not believe that allowing words to be uttered from my mouth that allude to sexism defines my stance on gender equality. While I do not recall and find it extremely unlikely that I would ever make a sexist comment around this kind of community, I'm not saying it is beyond me to say something like that in any given circumstance. I am saying this because I believe that you may have based your aforementioned justification on one comment that I may have made at one point which I am happy for you to share with me. Only for me to try to remember the circumstance and then explain the context in which it was delivered but I'll have you know that saying that this sexism was in the majority of my discussions is absolute horseshit. If you wish to continue your discussion on this very forum feel free. If I have Nullsquare, explained something poorly, please do ask for elaboration. I tend to forget that we all have different levels of literacy and I will often need to simplify my comments for the sake of public viewership. I look forward to your reply, I am all for and always have been for mature topics. While I do have a temper and also a lack of tolerance for idiocy, I am happy to drop the passive aggressive comments I have made towards you (I won't deny that I do it) so that we can speak on an intellectual level ( Though I doubt you'll go for that, Its how most people convince themselves their winning an argument these days). Hopefully we can both give it a good go. and cheers to eehee for relaying that message. Edit: typo fixing and grammatical rephrasing

I feel like 2 years without gained ground would be enough to convince someone to give up but I don't know anything I guess

This is why I had a go at you Toby. I saw my post was just about arguing the nooks and crannies of my wording and so I asked to have it closed and you felt it was a testament to the argument being invalid which from looking at it's support, was not the case. That's what happened there, I don't ever see us getting somewhere with this issue, even if we all had discussions void of negativity, no one is going to move on their stance because people prefer to assume that they had everything right on their first go rather than allowing themselves to tailor their view based on evidence and valid points. When we try to have a civil discussion, the mere existence of a differing opinion motivates one rotten apple to spoil the bunch and make it personal, or tread over a no longer relevant/already resolved issue in the past. I remember the old days where this shit didn't happen, and looking at the staff team now I feel like the staff could have easily just banned everyone who had an attitude worthy of allowing themselves to be labeled toxic as a quick fix to the drama. I think the reason they don't do this is because deep down inside they know this particular crusade while controversial is also noble. So instead they let it fester in public chat and allow our opinions to be ignored thanks to all the new players who didn't know how things used to be and are happy to argue with a historically limited view of the whole ordeal.

The staff team have no control over their biases, [staff 1] and [staff 2] were in a channel where the words 'n****r and f***ot were used in the middle of and following, the discussions the channel was having involving degrading statements about [more public accusations]. [staff 1] was happy to join in on the [Player 1] insult wagon by calling him and I quote 'one bipolar son of a gun' after laughing at [Player 2's] comment about him being a f***ot. Before that we were all talking about what a terrible admin mrloud was and how fucked the community was to which the admin in the channel agreed (I think [staff 1] was in the channel for only some of the mr loud conversation, I'll have to go back over my recording) I guess toxic S players aren't the only people who are willing to talk about how fucked the server is. I have recordings of these conversations and would be happy to release them for all people to see that our staff integrity isn't great, It's terrible and this comment will be removed but I assure you all that I literally had to was just sit in a mumble channel for 20 minutes to gain all this stuff. For all those who were saying my claims were unsubstantiated, its all documented ready for approval by the staff to link but they will do everything in their power to stop me from revealing the truth. [staff 2] is gonna threaten legal action if this post somehow manages not to get removed, I'm sure the internet police will get around to the claim after they have dealt with all the important shit [staff 2]. Typing isn't the only way people can say incriminating things nerd.nu staff but I as a bystander cannot without breaking the rules, give concrete evidence of such claims. So they would just get ignored and disregarded. Oh well< i'm basically just posting this as a test for myself to see what kinda covering up the admins are willing to do.

Lock this one too, It turned into: 'This is why you shouldn't be using the word toxic so much' Response: 'I don't like toxic people, stop defending bad behavior!... RAMBLE RAMBLE EEHEE!' EEHEE: 'Shut up you stupid piece of neglected autism, face me like a real man!' Derail, Derail, Derail

Issue: Moderation inconsistencies Evidence of it: Instances explained like mumble observations and the testimonies of other inconsistencies that some of the players in the thread commented on. That lay out enough for you? do you need me to draw a flow diagram too?

None of you actually read the text fucking swear it. You all have comprehension issues (I used another big word :o). The failure of people's ability to interpret or even bother to read large 'essays' goes to show how basic you are in the head. I tired saying it nicely, I've tried repeating myself when you fail to read the first time. I'm fucking sick of it all, the server's fucked and nothing short of a moron cull is going to save it. Someone lock this thread already, we're wasting interwebs

I'm not venting, you haven't seen venting. I flowered up my language to make it carebear friendly, I stated my points and literally all I hear is 'I haven't seen any examples out of the ordinary... people interpret things different ways... I'd love to hear more about these instances you speak of...' I've shown that there is a problem through examples above, I've explained why I can't name those people, I feel that this isn't the issue of those individuals necessarily and that we all could do with a good conduct and community value re evaluation. In this post I have identified an issue, Shown the issue isn't made up, I've suggested a way to tackle the problem and I've done so without screaming how stupid all of your fucking answers are. All the 'toxic shitty S players' have been bringing this stuff up for two years and I posted it to you in a very gentle, explanatory way. I gave evidence the problem exists and I provided instructions as to how nerd.nu can take baby steps towards being a fucking joke instead of a complete and utter fucking joke because lets face it, you're a long way from being able to deal with the large issues let alone the issue of just polishing your fucking basic rule enforcement. but the discussion just got flooded by the same dimwitted statements about how unobservant you all are or how you think that because its common to have utter inconsistency within the moderating of the server that the existence of the problem justifies it's own existence. Yes I know cops don't always give you the same punishment cyotie, it doesn't fucking mean its an ok system. It's like if I said 'people shouldn't go to war because people die from them and they tear countries apart' and some idiot responds 'well wars happen all the time so we shouldn't try to fix it because it happens alot' And don't act like the issue is unfixable 'human nature' coz anyone around knew that the staff team used to be tight as shit compared to the players becoming mods and (a week later,) admins now. I thought no one was listening to the S players because of the people who were being assholes about voicing their concerns but nope, even when I state it while kissing everyone's ass at the same time, it appears you're all just very special people and will never understand why or even notice that your community is falling to pieces. I have logs and recorded conversations of so many cases of shitty moderating, admining and all this other corrupt shit but from memory, it gets silenced and censored immediately due to the fantastic integrity .of our admin team which doesn't in anyway consist of cock gobbling power hungry shitlords I thought I'd try to tackle the problem of the poorly mismanaged mess that is the server today in a way where I was nice about it but no one wanted to hear it like it was and no one wanted to hear it like it wasn't. nerd.nu was a great thing, maybe the best minecraft community and now there are 12 year old hosted realm server admins who are laughing at us. I'll be laughing too...

You're right, I don't know what the fuck im talking about, the 2000 words of thought and explanation I gave were not strong enough to post as outline by pyros incredibly detailed and thoughtful rebuttal of my stupid politically incorrect one sided discussion that I dared to use the word 'every' in even when surrounded by the words 'practically' and 'to some degree'. I have made no attempts to accommodate both sides of an issue and have gone out of my way to throw blame on individuals instead of calling this the result of circumstance. I'm using the phrase 'derailed' so I can run away and hide from a topic I am clearly not passionate about at all. i just posted it because Im a stupid toxic S player who wants to ruin everyone's day. I can't wait to go harass and troll the admin team who have no room for improvement cause that's all I'm good for. Damn you logical ppl! You've outsmarted me with wit and objective analysis of my discussion! Clearly you all have very good listening skills, I'm full of bullshit and lies. There are no problems with nerd.nu, I made it up for attention.

And there it is, the classic topic derail the issue with the way I have presented my topic rather than a contribution to the topic itself. Well we may as well lock it now, anyone with half a brain knows this is the time to stop reading. Hope someone will think about this, as for now the topic has lost it's purpose and credibility, Admin feel free to close...

When I said every staff member is guilty, I mean of allowing personal thought to weigh in on their decision, I don't believe anyone makes their banning decisions wholly objective, maybe the mods who have only bothered to ban 2 people in their entire career. As for trying to invalidate them, im not against making mistakes and im not saying we should have a faultless staff team. idk where you got that idea from, especially when im saying that other people would do the same things in their position. There could just be some improvement in this area, some tidying up if you will...

This is not an invitation to start a flame war, keep your comments civil if you want to comment (or just tell me im full of shit and don't know wtf im talking about) and you can talk about the experience from your perspective in a polite fashion.

Ok, I know I have already started a thought provocative topic recently and that this may very well be locked simply because of it's title but I kinda want to establish something. I may have all my history/facts wrong and you can feel free to politely correct me bellow, but this is my view of how the term 'toxic' kinda got out of hand. Firstly, the term 'toxic player' wasn't even a big thing in the early nerd.nu days, in fact I barely recall it being said except for maybe being used to describe players who were legit just around to troll and ruin people's time. People who were no good for the server or the community by definition. In later times, when staff/player tension started to rise, one particular staff member used the term to describe a few players who they disapproved of in attitude and their opinions surrounding certain topics. This staff member at the time had been hit with a bombardment of stress due to their dedication to the server and was also undergoing a lot of scrutiny by disgruntled players and I believe other staff members. There were arguments surrounding the use of the this word to describe those people who were often involved in heated arguments and issues in mumble/irc etc etc. And these arguments and throwing of opinions were very common at this time (this is where a tiny bit of factionalism in the community started to occur) and what was worse was that players who were being considered 'toxic' often were in affiliation with players who had left the community on a bad note (like by being banned or having left due to other controversy). Now the idea of not being content with the staff team often coincided with outbursts, starting or commenting on controversial subeditor posts and the likes but the concerns that the people had against the staff were somewhat founded, and just the way they expressed a lot of their frustration about this happened to be destructive for both themselves and the staff team trying to handle the mess at the time, it effectively ruined communication. Originally there were arguments about the use of the word 'toxic' to describe players who were otherwise valuable to the community but didn't get along with and agree with everyone all the time. A lot of these kinds of people were S players, which isn't a surprise considering how the S server went into crisis and the general way a lot of the S players liked to express themselves as the result of the kind of environment they played on in survival (where everyone is pitted against each other and rivalries will occur). Which was a perfectly valid way of interaction (granted it was mostly kept to the survival servers) and often when these 'aggressive' players said things or bantered in certain ways it was somewhat more tolerated knowing that they were an S player (which aggravated more gentle mannered P players). Anyways, a lot of S players were starting to get pissed off, people started forming vastly different opinions about each other and in general those who started arguments with the P players or staff were normally seen as 'the toxic survival players'. There were quite a few hateful (and still are) goodbye posts from players who were at one end or the other of the overall divide. There were players who kinda had an anti staff agenda or at least an agenda to be rid of the shitty things about staff. And these players were known by and were friends with a lot of other players in the community and while vocal, weren't just there to have a bitch about nothing and stir trouble. But these people landed themselves a toxic label anyway in the 'new' sense of the word. So when you go on about 'all these stupid S players' and those who seem to push the limits of staff members and the likes, just know that once upon a time we all got along kind of better than we all seem to now. There was always a kind of banter between S and P now but never have I seen so many players share hatred towards the other servers. A situation kind of let these things get out of hand and no single party or group is to blame. And while you may see it as a lesson as to how P and S don't mix and can't communicate in a crisis, just let it be a lesson that we can decide to listen to each other regardless of not liking what we're hearing (that means you grumpy people) or the way someone says it (that means you staff and care bears). tl;dr if I see someone use that fucking word again, i'm gonna go play civcraft... anyways <3 darkelmo xoxo peace out homies

For one, you need to have been around for long enough to notice moderators 'being harsher than normal'. I don't have saved logs of the incidents as they were verbal and I'm not allowed to record people in mumble without the entire channel's permission (coz no one wants to be held accountable for they say over the internet surprise surprise) and stating them to the best of my memory wouldn't be any more credible than a counter claim. Besides even if I did directly quote what a staff member said over mumble their name would appear like this : [Redacted] and it really serves no point because practically every fucking staff member is guilty of it, and probably every regular player in the same position would do the same fucking thing to some degree. I don't wish to eradicate all inconsistencies in moderating, I just want to give a good whack at shrinking the differences that have formed due to changing times. And no, it isn't a fabricated problem. Though there was a time when it wasn't such an issue until a person who's name will be redacted if I post it, shed light on shady practices that occurred a few admin team generations ago becoming an icon for questioning staff practices. And it's actually funny to see new players come in and look at all these 'toxic' people and start judging them like they know what it's all about. Some of their concerns and a lot of their anger comes from a problem that stems back to a time where nerd.nu really didn't have any factionalism like it does today. The people who are 'pushing buttons' are doing so coz their fucking sick of a bunch of stuff that I dare not mention in this topic for worry of dramallamaism (yes I created a new word). Kiddos, take a look at the archives and get to know your nerd.nu history before you start having a go at all the 'toxic' people flying around. To be honest, a large contributer to the allowance of shitty moderating and everything is nerd.nu's weird obsession with censorship (that used to be there for logical reasons with the trust that everything that was happening behind closed doors was legit and helpful) But now it just serves as a way for admins and moderators getting shifted around staff positions where nobody wanted them or thought they could do well to everyone's confusion. I bet if the staff team had the idea that people were watching them when they did their shit they'd be less sloppy and would handle stuff with professional care. Though they like the wall of anonymity and discretion because it gives them room to make mistakes without the playerbase jumping on them in the middle of all their affairs. The system of chain of command and stuff for nerd.nu wasn't really developed for the purpose of being a timeless, foolproof system that would create a self sustaining community so the way things are handled now has kind of become a garbled mess. Like, no one seemed to plan for the problem where certain admins act like shitlords and get into arguments with other admins. And now everyone pretends it didn't happen or they pretend like everything worked out now and everything is back to normal. If the staff just started to agree on the simple shit again then maybe we can get them organized enough to fix all the other shit. But that also means laying off the toxic shitbaggery that everyone else is throwing at them for allowing it to get to this state. If you act like turds even when the staff team starts taking steps in the right direction, they'll never fucking listen to you. I mean they did stuff like throwing polls and votes and documented logs of actions and stuff when that discrepancy issue was thrown around a while ago. Everyone jumped at even the hardest working honest, blameless admins to the point where they either stopped trying or said 'fuck it, I'm out'. The staff do want to work to the needs of the playerbase but you have to give them something to work with instead of a 'fuck you, it's all fucked, fix it!... I don't know what I want you to make the server like but its not this!' Oh and if you don't get what I mean by fixing all the 'other shit', don't worry about it, just take baby steps to fixing this one. I'll get to it later... eh, I kind got sidetracked from the whole original post, but les just tri 2 b frens k?

I am very much aware of the conduct above being blatantly against the rules but my point (exemplified by the title) is that we still have a culture of disagreement when it it comes to how civilly we treat each other and it has turned some of our old fashioned players from before times into people who really do not care for the rules as they have had a history of being over/under enforced. It's not enough that we have our rules down, and we can't just say 'context is everything' we need to let the entire playerbase where we stand, what our values are and how much of the original nerd.nu community we identify with. I know it seems unnecessary or even corny but could we have an ethos? A headnote? an underpinning theme that dictates the way we do things instead of having it so the players don't leave every 5 godamn minutes because nerd.nu can't make up it's fucking mind. Can we make it so we don't have to keep removing comments? Can we make a situation where the staff team doesn't have to consider half the playerbase of survival as toxic drama llamas? Have we evolved into something that not everyone is satisfied with or are we having a hard time adhering to the old nerd.nu model?

Firstly I must disclose before I make my point here that I emotionally identify with this topic to a high degree and my response may exemplify or be evident of such. No offence to anyone but I think our idea of server and related utility rules are an absolute joke. To expand on this I mean that there are a plethora of unrecorded and unofficial codes of conduct and chat protocols that some may label 'common sense' rules but in all honesty these rules are constantly subjected to change either due to the people enforcing them or the people who are present when someone says or does something that contests with the unestablished rules of conduct. I'm talking about stuff like complex behaviors being boiled down to single subjective words and phrases like 'harassment', 'toxicity', 'Don't be a dick', 'hate speech' and other such terms which in all honesty cannot with any confidence, be said to encompass a universal understanding of exactly what these phrases imply to people all over the world, the notion is just rubbish. I have had a lot of issues wrapping my head around the boundaries and topics I have to steer far away from when speaking in mumble or what words were allowed to be used by players and staff alike while on the server during my time with nerd.nu. I'll just fire off a bunch of personal examples that date back a while a way. Nerd.nu has with pride been held as a place with respect for people of all different minority's and beliefs and as such has created rules so to prevent offence to those groups in regards to words, references and even skin appearance to allow players to feel as welcome as possible and to feel safe. But exceptions were made left right and center when certain mods were on and for what seemed to be the entirety of the player base at points like the total allowance of the word 'tard' or 'retard' or 'autistic' in the most tasteless and offensive of instances to the point where the word was listed in the fucking server rules. I know there has now been change to the server's approach to derogatory words for the afflicted but this exemplifies how our phrases and rules do not encompass or represent our actual codes of conduct that players are expected to use. When I brought up the issue on the forums (some years ago) the admins were split on the issue. I used to bring up people's ban appeals in mumble to talk about them only to find that they were a no no to talk about in order to respect those who were involved in the process. This was always phrased to me as to be inciting drama and I was promptly muted and kicked a couple of times for doing it. Now I hear all the time from moderators in mumble about their personal opinions in ban appeals to the point of them blatantly insulting people they take a disliking to, saying things like they wish certain players were permanently banned and this really stems from a culture of staff/player rivalry, something that would be held undisclosed had these moderators have acted professionally like they did previously. I remember when certain topics like politics and religion were not to be spoken of only to find that now it's a case by case basis depending on which moderators are in mumble at the time. I heard the other day that moderators aren't allowed to make channels where certain players were muted, also completely different in the past. I remember when harassment of younger players or just players that people wouldn't like would occur all the time in public chat and mumble while literally nothing was done about it. I endured a fuck tonne of horrible shit in the first 3 years of playing on nerd and using mumble (some would say was justified) but I'll go through the list I was constantly harassed when using my microphone, people would intentionally lie about my age to convince other players to treat me like shit with them. I had offensive nicknames used by players and mods alike, there were mumble channel names made to insult me, I had people who impersonated me to troll me. I had people who would intentionally describe graphic content for the sake of making me uncomfortable, I was linked to troll virus sites, I was once linked to what I was told was a mumble plugin but was actually a homosexual pornographic window that had been designed to be unclosable during which I was a minor and the funny thing was, when I retaliated or had a genuine emotional response to these things it landed me banned, or muted or kicked. I feel like we do have a set of rules that condemn being an asshole but aside from the black and white rules of 'no hax' and such, a separate culture of disregard and personal opinion/interpretation has split the server into the 'Hush hush no criticism or controversy allowed or you r toxic' faction and the hardcore 'shit happens, its the internet m8... HARASS! INFLAME! TROLL' faction. You'd think with a written set of rules that at least the staff would all have a similar way of expression and conduct that they adhere'd to but the inconsistency I see is absolutely hilarious. So my proposition is that the community re establishes what kind of people we are. Are we all 'adults here' and we should just allow freedom of expression in all forms on the server or should we just slap the fucking swear filter on our server like we're all back to playing runescape again? I think we should strive for something inbetween and agree on it because let's face it, the community and it's expectation of our behavior has changed dramatically and needs to be re established so that there is a reference point for 'is what i'm saying acceptable?'. hopefully we'll get a result where toxic players don't confuse themselves for 'forum vigilantes of justice trying to return to the good old days' and a scenario where the carebears don't convince themselves that the internet is for people with nice things to say only. tl;dr Someone draw a fucking line that says 'don't cross this line'. The old one is outdated and keeps moving 4 fucks sakes.

This seems Symptomatic of what appears to be an issue with S.nerd and the ever crushing success of P.nerd that somewhat dwarfs the struggling survival server. I know things have been tough for S.nerd and while on the surface this looks like a convenient resolution for the issue, I really don't think it's going to fly well. Survival has had issues that are Easily fixable but are hard to define amongst the varying opinions and experiences on S that have gotten in the way of progress and has ultimately led to large chunks and icons of the S.nerd community leaving because of a failure to change the experience into a positive one from the rut it seems to be in now. While I won't get into what needs fixing (from the perspective of what others and myself have deduced) I know for certain this isn't the direction to go with S.nerd. For one because once we go to this, we may never go back and 2. Because there is a way to make survival a fun standalone server again with a large player base. I have been very reluctant to post my idea for a fix for survival publicly for numerous reasons most of those being somewhat personal as I don't really play on nerd anymore and my idea could be shot down by a couple of individuals who have their own negative opinion or discrepancies with it that I'd rather avoid. I have tried pitching this to some of the admins and while it looked promising none of the fixes were discussed further. If I have to throw in my 2 cents and say why Survival isn't doomed and how to fix it, I will in a separate post but for now I want to say I'm adamant that this isn't the best possible outcome for S that we can muster. It has been part of our history as its own server, it has (or had) its own style of communication and gameplay that will be changed if it gets ported into PvE and will most likely cause community disruptions. Also, the Survival we all know has been home to some of the most vocal, well known and contributing players on nerd.nu both from and not from the staff team which to me says that the old survival had it's place and it's own identity as something other than an extension of P.nerd. Most of the players I have spoken to about what made survival great in the old days have been here for a long time and know what works through experience. While I appreciate the input of others, I notice that newer players who hopped in when survival was on it's way to the shitter have given input in the form of a majority that hasn't quite captured the issue and/or fun components of Survival that we wish to preserve. Some players from the old survival also know exactly of the fixes required but due to the way they communicate with people (especially staff) their legitimate ideas get turned into finger pointing, Feuds and in general just don't get to the actual point of the topic. We can see this time and time again by the attempted mumble meetings and community discussions declared in an attempt to fix the issue. We had the motive, we had the means but in the end we didn't execute these discussions in a way that would come to a working conclusion. And instead the input comes in from players who do not know all of the essence of what used to make survival great, or a minority within the survival servers that bothered to go to the meeting tends to be the only group heard. I am sad to see where the server has gone from when I left, but to be fair this community has taken a lot of blows over the years which some of us have all sat through. Whether it be how external pressures have compromised the ability of particular staff members and the community hasn't supported them or when rules and protocols have done away with members of the community when we all know they weren't matters to be settled on the ban appeal forum. When the users felt oppressed and silenced and when the staff felt that too much was being asked of them, we've been through a lot. But all is not lost for the S.nerd server which I think these events have dramatically affected, we can fix it, but we have to get over issues of communication and identifying the problem. Tl;dr This isn't the fate that S should end with, we should try to give another good go at fixing it instead of letting it merge with another server. I'd hate to see it go this way...

Yeah it's still being wierd for me works half the time but not the other half, could just be my computer

Works better on mobile devices, got all the results needed on that

I meant that all the things used as a search tool on this site don't really give results unless its for a link to a members profile I tried to search 'jauris' today and got zip

Edited for accidental post