TornadoHorse Mumble Ban [Mumberthrax]

[TornadoHorse]

I was wrongfully banned from Mumble. It was a meeting where there are discussions. I was being a little disruptive but those were my opinions, shared by many others. I'm not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to ban me for that as I'm sure with hindsight you'll see it was rather foolish. I wish to be unbanned.

[XkinOEC]

Ban information for TornadoHorse {mumble}:

 

Ban reason: disrupting chat

No prior bans, no other notes/bans.

Please be patient and Mumberthrax will be with you as soon as they can. If no one has attended to your appeal after 48 hours have past, please feel free to BUMP (Bring Up My Post) your appeal.

[Mumberthrax]

Tornadohorse, during a survival mumble meeting you were warned for personal attacks, kicked for disrupting chat, and then kicked and banned for continuing to disrupt chat.

 

You were not wrongfully banned from mumble, and I will be posting the relevant logs later today. It was only meant to be a temp ban, so you are now unbanned.

[Mumberthrax]

Tornadohorse I want to thank you for making this appeal and claiming your ban was inappropriate, because it's afforded me an opportunity to comb through the chat logs of our mumble meeting for an inordinate amount of time, ensuring that I'm that much more familiar with the content of chat which I may have overlooked while participating in the meeting. I particularly find myself surprised at how much of your conduct my subconscious must have filtered out during that meeting, because I find myself seeing more and more examples in the logs of your disruption during that time that I hadn't been consciously aware of at the time of your kick and subsequent ban.

I didn't intend for the ban to be anything particularly long or strenuous. You were disrupting chat, and a ban was enough to put a stop to that until the meeting was over. I'm very happy that you chose to make this apologetic appeal, and that after it you chose to behave yourself during the second meeting, which further solidifies my suspicions that the ban appeal process does make a difference in how players conduct themselves after bans.

For some context for these logs: you entered the meeting after it had been going on for about an hour and twenty minutes, during which many subjects were discussed, specifically the concept of substantial changes to the survival server. We were following an agenda that had been published on the forums along with the date and time the meeting was to occur, which you had seen and commented on previously.

The logs for the meeting are long, even just the content you provided is quite lengthy. I've tried to sort of organize these excerpts by theme.

1) tornadohorse joins late, disregards the agenda and topic being currently discussed on the agenda in favor of harping on something that was discussed at length before he arrived, demonstrating a lack of respect for those attempting to conduct an effective meeting.

 

 

Bear in mind that in voice chat, you were informed that these subjects had already been covered, and that throughout it all while you typed these things the meeting was following the agenda more or less, trying to quickly get through the "minor changes" section so that the things you wanted to discuss would fit in perhaps a little bit better.

Line 496: [3:28:50 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Oh fuck, just realised it's an hour later than I thought it was
Line 500: [3:29:10 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Eehor u fool, what what we covered so far?
Line 512: [3:30:05 AM] (Channel) Eehee333: TornadoHorse, we've generally discussed how Survival could implement super-duper big changes into it, such as PvE regions in more places.
Line 517: [3:30:54 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: As much as I think it'd be fun to have PvE towns, that's just making is more like PvE. Why would anyone choose S over P if it's pretty much exactly the same?
Line 522: [3:31:29 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse because noone is choosing S over P
Line 523: [3:31:39 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: yep, that's my point
Line 526: [3:32:00 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I don't think PvE zones would help the server at all, just split the population between PvE and Survival
Line 528: [3:32:14 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse that's an attitude problem, not a plugin or gameplay problem
Line 531: [3:32:43 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: No it's not toby. We'd be offering 2 types of the same server

Line 580: [3:36:32 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Are notes being taken of this meeting, anyone know?
Line 583: [3:36:46 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse recording, minutes and chat logs
Line 590: [3:37:03 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: But like, written notes. I missed the first hour and a bit, not sure what's been discussed

Line 580: [3:36:32 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Are notes being taken of this meeting, anyone know?
Line 583: [3:36:46 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse recording, minutes and chat logs
Line 590: [3:37:03 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: But like, written notes. I missed the first hour and a bit, not sure what's been discussed
Line 594: [3:37:20 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Not very vanilla
Line 599: [3:37:30 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: we shouldn't be removing features from the game unless necessary
Line 600: [3:37:38 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: We should be adding sexy things
Line 601: [3:37:45 AM] (Channel) buchanman: TornadoHorse block
Line 606: [3:38:06 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: What did PvE/PvP focus argument come to?

Line 644: [3:41:41 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: All of the changes that have been added help S for a very short period of time
Line 649: [3:42:03 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: We need BIG changes, but I'm not sure on what's been discussed

Line 667: [3:43:20 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: so there's no written notes that I can look at right now?

Line 682: [3:45:19 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: so there's no google doc of notes being maintained so i can stop asking?

Line 696: [3:46:39 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Can some sexy person let me know what came of the PvE vs. PvP discussion?
Line 708: [3:47:47 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Yeah, I wanna discuss it now
Line 710: [3:48:07 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Discussing small changes is pointless if we haven't discussed big ones, idk what came of the big discussions
Line 715: [3:48:51 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: is it coming up mumber, or is it already gone?
Line 719: [3:49:06 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: on the set agenda it looked like there were 2 differenet sections
Line 727: [3:49:39 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: oh, so there's some big changes discussion coming up

Line 741: [3:51:23 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Survival isn't anything at the moment
Line 743: [3:51:29 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: But we need to figure out where we're going
Line 749: [3:51:57 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I'm not talking about small changes from how we are now
Line 750: [3:51:59 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: BIG CHANGES
Line 752: [3:52:06 AM] To Survival General Meeting: TornadoHorse, that is the purpose of this meeting.
Line 754: [3:52:13 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: changes so that we don't call ourself survival anymore
Line 762: [3:53:05 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: well then

Line 865: [4:02:07 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I can't really say, but I don't think we've established much
Line 866: [4:02:12 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: But i missed the first hour

Line 927: [4:07:15 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: We can't say if any of these will work or not until we know what type of server we're going to be

Line 934: [4:08:21 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Well okay, so what is going to make it more PvP oriented. Are we going to change something big, like factions, chaos for example? Or are we going to get there by implementing small changes like we have tried already

Line 961: [4:11:21 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Personally, I think we should start from scratch completely. Let's imagine we have a blank slate and we can do anything we want on it
Line 962: [4:11:31 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: what would you want to see as nerd's 3rd permanent server?
Line 964: [4:11:35 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse whats the USP you want to try on a blank slate
Line 966: [4:12:01 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I'm not sure, personally. I think anything PvP based would be a good change
Line 970: [4:12:18 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Can't really establish our own twist on it until we have a base to work with though

2) tornadohorse offers meaningless twaddle that disrupts chat

 

Line 437: [3:22:24 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: aw look at little b00chy
Line 439: [3:22:31 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: FUCK OFF IS IT HOSTILE?!
Line 442: [3:22:34 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ;)))))
Line 447: [3:23:14 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: o shit it's totemo
Line 452: [3:23:30 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Good to see you around, totebro :)
Line 455: [3:23:44 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ahahah g'day mate! :D
Line 458: [3:23:58 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ^
Line 461: [3:24:14 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: +1 totemoooo
Line 532: [3:32:45 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: HE HAS A VOICE WHAT
Line 535: [3:32:50 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: HE SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAUROS
Line 536: [3:32:53 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: JAURIS
Line 537: [3:32:54 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: :ooooo
Line 608: [3:38:11 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ye fuck regulars
Line 611: [3:38:28 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: if that's an offer?
Line 613: [3:38:36 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: twil you're lying to yourself
Line 614: [3:38:38 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: let it go
Line 617: [3:38:54 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: >:)
Line 621: [3:39:13 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Totally misheard what mrloud just said
Line 625: [3:39:20 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Thought he said "I have a rare penis"
Line 626: [3:39:30 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: i'm sure this was not it, wat he say?
Line 630: [3:39:57 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Magnyus, what are you sayin' about my S identity m8?!
Line 632: [3:40:09 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: o ty
Line 635: [3:40:30 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: wat u want twil

Line 651: [3:42:14 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ye is rude
Line 652: [3:42:24 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Magnyus, hold me :(
Line 663: [3:43:09 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: pls

Line 833: [3:59:17 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: woke up at 8, thought it was stupid to be up that early on a weekend
Line 835: [3:59:22 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: got up about 30 minutes ago :P
Line 839: [3:59:41 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ./closeyourlegseeheeuslut

3) tornadohorse instigates conflict with another individual

 

tobylane was warned for arguing with another player by redwall.

[3:55:59 AM] (Channel) redwall_hp: tobylane, please stop arguing with eehee during the meeting

you proceeded to prod him

Line 804: [3:56:23 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: tubbylin, wat u say?
Line 814: [3:57:16 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: yo tobylin, shudephuk up m8
Line 821: [3:58:22 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Yeah, I don't think you really know what you're talking about at all tobylane
Line 824: [3:58:38 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse you do, you just don't like it

after this, continuing to disregard the meeting agenda and topic that others are discussing, you begin to talk about how terrible you feel the sadmins are, make a personal attack against tobylane, and are warned.

[4:23:11 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Okay. So we need a big change and whether the players like it or not, any big change would help the servers. Don't get too angry when I say this, but we need people in charge who have a good idea for the future and who know the S community so they can change things on their own without a poll or without a huge discussion. We need people that want the best for the server, but also who know what's best for it. Or at least can see that anything will help. I don't think the current people leading the server are strong enough characters to do this. I'm not speaking about all of them, and I think they're all good at certain things, but all together I don't think they're what survival needs at the moment. Or at least, we need more people in there leading the way.
[4:23:26 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse I like the people in charge, I don't like the players
4:23:31 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: that's nice
[4:23:36 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: how often do you play S?
[4:24:44 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Oh that's funny tobylane, you don't play S! You know very little about the server or community, you use sweeping statements to group us all together and you're blindly just going against what we say. So to be quite honest toby, I don't give a shit what you have to say and I'm sure there aren't many who do.
[4:24:57 AM] (Channel) tobylane: Good, thats the attitude I keep referring to
[4:25:04 AM] To Survival General Meeting: let's keep the personal attacks out of this meeting.
[4:25:10 AM] (Channel) TheRandomnatrix-alternate: ^
[4:25:17 AM] (Channel) Eehee333: ^^^^
[4:25:20 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: ^^^^^^

4) tornadohorse disrupts chat, disregarding the topic of dicsussion in voice chat which follows the agenda by harping on how terrible the sadmins are for an inordinate amount of time

 

Line 1138: [4:27:32 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: quite frankly, he's not adding anything to the discussion, he has no idea what he's talking about whether he plays S or not
Line 1149: [4:28:48 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: so...
Line 1150: [4:28:52 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: are we just sitting
Line 1161: [4:30:37 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: yeh
Line 1164: [4:31:05 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: We also need the leadership to know what they're talking about too, and I think that needs to be addressed.
Line 1169: [4:31:42 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: yes
Line 1177: [4:32:48 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: i like when mumber speaks
Line 1190: [4:36:28 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: No
Line 1192: [4:36:55 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: The admins are not the best people for survival right now, at least not as they're set up at the moment
Line 1197: [4:37:38 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I know that.
Line 1199: [4:37:50 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: But there's been too many problems so far
Line 1200: [4:38:24 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse thats to do with running a hostile pvp server, not the current staff. Proof - it happened before the current staff
Line 1204: [4:39:29 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse can you think of an admin who did right for all players, and didn't burn out?
Line 1205: [4:39:39 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: No, of course not
Line 1209: [4:39:59 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: But there are plenty of admins who have don't pretty much all right, or always wanted the best for the community and generally got the best out of them
Line 1210: [4:40:05 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Dray didn't burn out
Line 1212: [4:40:10 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: he moved to being a head
Line 1213: [4:40:15 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: STOP LOOKING AT ME MUMBER
Line 1216: [4:40:32 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Dray, tharine, barneygale, weizbox, luke
Line 1217: [4:40:34 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: the list goes on
Line 1222: [4:42:12 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: CORRECT!
Line 1226: [4:43:08 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Answer this question after manta is finished, admins ^
Line 1227: [4:43:15 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Appointed very very slowly
Line 1230: [4:43:46 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Don't be offended, prove that it's not true.
Line 1238: [4:44:43 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: redwall: S is currently complete shit, nothing has happened up until now. Do you see where the sadmins are currently going wrong?
Line 1240: [4:44:58 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: bit toxic of you to say, ridic
Line 1243: [4:45:06 AM] (Channel) tobylane: No TornadoHorse, I see them fighting their users over things that shouldn't be brought to the admins
Line 1248: [4:45:44 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Redwall, that'd be fine if you all had a good idea on what the servers should be. No offence intended, but I don't think you 3 as sadmin is working out
Line 1250: [4:46:10 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: gimme the other half of your agree
Line 1273: [4:48:05 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Why did Mrloud et al. not make changes when other meetings were held?
Line 1275: [4:48:17 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse mrloud said its his first he led
Line 1279: [4:48:26 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: yes you were
Line 1280: [4:48:32 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: you've been an admin for 8 months, mrloud
Line 1282: [4:48:40 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: it was you, redwall and cab who were admins
Line 1285: [4:48:51 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: 3 of you are wrong then, toby
Line 1289: [4:49:21 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Yes there have been
Line 1291: [4:49:27 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Me and Four_Down hosted 2-3
Line 1295: [4:49:42 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse that wasn't something he led
Line 1298: [4:49:48 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Yes, well done
Line 1302: [4:50:05 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: the players loved those meetings, knew it was a great idea
Line 1303: [4:50:08 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: what did the admins do?
Line 1305: [4:50:09 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Nothing
Line 1306: [4:50:15 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: yes, I know that toby
Line 1307: [4:50:21 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: but why weren't changes made earlier?
Line 1310: [4:50:40 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Oh, so it doesn't count because I'm a mere player?
Line 1314: [4:50:50 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Okay, so players have no say, is what you're saying
Line 1319: [4:51:02 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Then why didn't the admins get involved?
Line 1322: [4:51:06 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: The community can't do everything
Line 1325: [4:51:19 AM] (Channel) tobylane: TornadoHorse what meeting are you in
Line 1329: [4:51:43 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I'm not, I'm discussing
Line 1331: [4:51:52 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: sorry for being honest about the state of the server
Line 1337: [4:52:15 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Then why are you only just starting to make changes right now?
Line 1341: [4:52:32 AM] (Channel) redwall_hp: TornadoHorse, I suggest you read the scrollback.
Line 1343: [4:52:38 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: twil, not my fault. Get the leaders of the meeting to move it along
Line 1345: [4:52:42 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I will do, 1 sec redwall
Line 1346: [4:53:00 AM] TornadoHorse was kicked from the server by Mumberthrax: I'm moving the meeting along by kicking a disruptive individual..

5) tornadohorse responds to his kick by being even more disruptive, rather than getting the message.

 

[4:53:09 AM] TornadoHorse connected.
[4:53:09 AM] TornadoHorse moved in from Root by the server.
[4:53:11 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Ahaha fuck off
[4:53:12 AM] (Channel) Magnyus: I cannot tell what fucking discussion I ought to be paying attention to.
[4:53:42 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Yes, kick someone who is speaking in chat and not impacting what is happening with the meeting at all
[4:53:47 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Yes, well done admins, well done indeed
[4:54:04 AM] To Survival General Meeting: chat is part of the meeting, torn.
[4:54:10 AM] (Channel) twilexis: ^
[4:54:15 AM] (Channel) twilexis: this is being transcribed.
[4:54:25 AM] (Channel) Magnyus: Then why is chat on the other side of the moon from the spoken meeting?
[4:54:26 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: okay, move the meeting along whilst saying "I'm moving along now"
[4:54:38 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: rather than kicking someone from it for voicing a fucking opinion
[4:54:42 AM] (Channel) twilexis: because everyone's talking shit
[4:54:52 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: No we're not twil, that's just how you see it
[4:55:13 AM] (Channel) redwall_hp: You're being belligerent and dragging us down tangents constantly
[4:55:18 AM] (Channel) twilexis: ^
[4:55:19 AM] (Channel) redwall_hp: It is disruptive
[4:55:33 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: It's the truth, redwall
[4:55:52 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: I'll stop going on about the past and how the admins have done shit all up until now, but that's not how you deal with a situation
[4:56:04 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Notice how it hasn't stopped anything? Oh, that's a surprise
[4:56:07 AM] (Channel) TornadoHorse: Night b00chy!
[4:56:08 AM] TornadoHorse was kicked and banned from the server by Mumberthrax: disrupting chat.

 

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Now, I hope that it is evident that the ban was appropriate given that we were trying to conduct an effective meeting, and your actions were disrupting it, even causing some to express quite clearly that text chat was going off on a whole other tangent than the rest of the meeting, with you as a primary cause of that. After your kick, you continued to harp on the same subject, so you were removed until the meeting was concluded.

I'm sorry if you feel this was unfair. I believe that it was unfair to the others in the meeting who wanted to see the server improved for you to behave the way you were. Again, I'm very happy that you chose to conduct yourself in a much more professional and constructive manner for the second meeting. I hope not to have to see you in the ban appeals section again.

 

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edit: here is the full chat log of this public meeting: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SyA3Q8uTXms9HcQ2oneJ55UpEyVfWJ8w8LYd8l9Vawk/

[TornadoHorse]

#1 I came into the meeting a bit late and saw that discussion had moved on, so rather than disrupting the main meeting by talking about old topics, I stuck mainly to text chat and said my opinions there. As far as I can see, there is nothing wrong with this. Everyone is usually focused on what people are saying rather than typing during meetings, so this kind of thing should be fine. I'm not sure why you see issue with this.

 

#2 This has been the first meeting where chat has been moderated so harshly, where you aren't even allowed to say hello to someone entering the channel. I think you take yourselves a bit too seriously. Why can't we make a funny comment now and again in chat and why is that being ever so disruptive? The answer is, it's not. It doesn't disrupt anything if you just read it and move on. The problem is when players bring up that it isn't on task, which sparks off more of an argument than there was. Yes, not everything I said was to do with discussion. Whilst the meeting was ongoing, how did any of those things (that you've listed in #2) *actually* disrupt the meeting? They didn't. Calm down.

 

#3  Me and tobylane were having a discussion about things brought up in the meeting. Apart from a couple of insults here and there, we didn't do anything hostile. It didn't disrupt the chat, and instead of thinking that you have to govern it, it would be better if you didn't pay attention to it and started talking about other things.

 

#4 There was a discussion in chat where someone brought up the sadmins and I voiced my opinions. I didn't do so by shouting about how bad you all are or calling you unintelligent twerps, I politely and calmly voiced my thoughts on our current sadmins and what should happen with them. If you're unable to take criticism then that is your problem, don't get angry with me for it.

 

#5 A kick was not the right way to deal with the situation which is why I was so suprised by it, I did not expect that from you Mumber. It made it worse. People were kicking up a fuss in chat about it and it totally derailed the meeting, especially after I was banned. I hope you can see this now.

 

I did nothing to deserve a ban, but I have already admitted that I was a bit disruptive after I'd been kicked. I want the server to improve as much as you may think I don't. I think these meetings were a great idea and hopefully something big can come from them.

[Denevien]

 

#1 I came into the meeting a bit late and saw that discussion had moved on, so rather than disrupting the main meeting by talking about old topics, I stuck mainly to text chat and said my opinions there. As far as I can see, there is nothing wrong with this. Everyone is usually focused on what people are saying rather than typing during meetings, so this kind of thing should be fine. I'm not sure why you see issue with this.

Some people do not have microphones and have to rely on text chat to voice their concerns. That is why chat is focused on, and that is why it is disturbing having things already discussed being brought back up. You were late to the meeting, you should have accepted the fact that you missed your chance to give input on those topics and moved on. After a recording was released, if you had further thoughts on things you missed, then you could voice them then.

 

 

#2 This has been the first meeting where chat has been moderated so harshly, where you aren't even allowed to say hello to someone entering the channel. I think you take yourselves a bit too seriously. Why can't we make a funny comment now and again in chat and why is that being ever so disruptive? The answer is, it's not. It doesn't disrupt anything if you just read it and move on. The problem is when players bring up that it isn't on task, which sparks off more of an argument than there was. Yes, not everything I said was to do with discussion. Whilst the meeting was ongoing, how did any of those things (that you've listed in #2) *actually* disrupt the meeting? They didn't. Calm down.

Again, this spams a chat that some people may be trying to use to discuss the current topic.

 

 

#3  Me and tobylane were having a discussion about things brought up in the meeting. Apart from a couple of insults here and there, we didn't do anything hostile. It didn't disrupt the chat, and instead of thinking that you have to govern it, it would be better if you didn't pay attention to it and started talking about other things.

As staff, it is our job to govern chat. If you honestly think this is an appropriate way to staff to act during a meeting like this, maybe you need to re-read this.

 

 

#4 There was a discussion in chat where someone brought up the sadmins and I voiced my opinions. I didn't do so by shouting about how bad you all are or calling you unintelligent twerps, I politely and calmly voiced my thoughts on our current sadmins and what should happen with them. If you're unable to take criticism then that is your problem, don't get angry with me for it.

You main point was the way they did things in the past. From what I can tell (by having this meeting), they are working on changing their ways. Are you seriously going to hold their past against them? Keep in mind, these are the same three that ignored your past, and welcomed you onto staff.

 

 

#5 A kick was not the right way to deal with the situation which is why I was so suprised by it, I did not expect that from you Mumber. It made it worse. People were kicking up a fuss in chat about it and it totally derailed the meeting, especially after I was banned. I hope you can see this now.

From what I can see, you spent a span of 25 minutes just complaining about the SAdmins. Again, they are hosting this meeting to make the changes you are hoping for. Having ran meetings like this myself, sometimes there are slow spots where things are being discussed in IRC, so they can answer concerns brought up on a unified front. So, it may not move as fast as you want it, but things take time. So, if I was running a meeting trying to help and make things better, and someone spent that long not on topic, solely complaining about me and my fellow staff members, I would say the kick was justified. It was simply to get your attention, to get you to calm down. You ignored the warning, and came back in full force, fully earning this ban.