Forever_A_Steve
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Just a snippit from totemo (who does the x-ray enforcement)
The majority of people that have been banned for x-ray around here (and it's mostly bans issued by me) don't do it again and they're valued and trusted players.
There's not much covering of tracks going on. But let me assure you that I do notice a lot of things, even if I choose not to ban immediately.
along with permalink for proof
https://www.reddit.com/r/mcpublic/comments/3w8q68/seeking_feedback_ban_durations/cxv8hz0 -
I'd rather we risked letting some bad people back on if it means retaining lots of players who get banned for doing something stupid when they first join the server. You don't need to be "desperate" to want more players. More players on nerd is always more fun; show me an instance where it hasn't been! That kind of attitude would never have flown in the early years when servers were getting set up and changed about all the time, and we ran things like minigames years before it became popular! There's always room for improvement.
Just use common sense. I struggle why it's considered so hard to just set xray ban lengths. If Forzaire logs on immediately xrays + lavas someone's base, ban him for a few more months. If a noob logs on and immediately xrays 10 diamond then PM them and tempban them for a day or two. If they don't get the message then ban them some more.
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this guy gets it
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Sometimes that is what we want. We can't predict, we don't have the time to investigate, and we don't want to allow too many bad back in with the good. We aren't that desperate. Please think about a way to know the difference between someone who learns the lesson straightaway, and someone who will have a history with the admins rivalling Forzaire.
Theres no way of doing so, which is why the 2 tier system is best.
Slap on the wrist and then harsher ban.
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Yes barney, but place some limit on how far in the opposite direction you're going otherwise it sounds incomplete. Dispensing enough justice is the issue it's been all along, a four week holiday is nothing to someone who has no attachment to Nerd but an agonising lesson to someone as attached as I believe shwk is.
Nononono.
A 4 week ban for someone new is overkill. It doesn't mean a 4 week vacation. It means they are never coming back.
Is that what you really want? Players who arent given the chance to learn their lesson and a bad rep?
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Those who strive not to make mistakes of the past make new mistakes. See France from 1790-1890, Chile, etc.
I'm still for near-universal rollbacks, could you give some general description of who shouldn't be rolled back?
Your Mistakes Don't Define You, They Teach You.
And general description would be anyone but 2nd or 3rd time offenders.
First timers deserve better.
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I agree, but to ignore the opposite of that isn't pragmatic. It's somewhere in between, and I don't think there isn anyone right in the middle who can say what is balanced.
If the town is only punished in losing that player and not their edits, as has happened in few select occasions when it ruined a town, is that acceptable?
Thats an unfortunate consequence of a ban, and ultimately the point of a ban. It's for the offender to do their time.
In many cases, others can rely on what the banned have built. Like in our case, we had full farms, 100% functional grinders, villager breeders, and our whole driving force taken away from us. If shwk was banned, thats fine. We'll just have to take over and do work with what we have. Shwk and his creations was Clearmont's strongest pillar, and that collapsed under us.
This isn't a case of "just one example" because using this example, we can prevent other things like this happening and improve our rules. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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You don't know the character of the person you have working beside you, just as the admins don't know the character of the person on their public server. The fault is equal if there is any.
You're focusing on an extreme and personal example, could you find a more common example?
More common examples? The newbies who do it, get overly severely punished, and never come back (or quit the server once they see their edits have been rolledback)
We want policies that encourage newer players to stay and have fun, not have policies that will turn them away from the server.
Barely anyone new reads the rules.
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It should be noted that just because an X-ray player did a lot in a town, does not mean they (the town) are aware that he is an xrayer.
We had no idea. It was more of a "wait...what?" thing. Then we traveled to the area and ragequit after seeing what had happened.
But rounding up 15 or so villagers running around in the open in a griefed area wasn't fun. Nor was rescuing some from ontop of trees.
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This is pretty much the reason why everything is rolled back. It is infinitely easier to build and work with diamond tools, rather than stone or even iron. Rolling back everything, or at least everything since their x-ray mining makes sense. If someone does it and gets caught and banned, and then doesn't come back because their town is ruined... it's their fault, they deserve it, and I have no sympathy for them.
It makes sense except for when it screws others over. but when HALF OF YOUR CITY THAT HAPPENS TO HOLD A CARDINAL PORTAL DISSAPEARS AND IS GRIEFED BY ADMINS happens, then your "fair" policy has failed.
Using your logic, it is easier, so it takes less time and effort. The same thing can be done with more time and effort.
So why not just ban and take all valuables away? Your rollback policy does more damage than good and thats why it needs to be changed.
Structures built are not ill-gotten gains. Yes, it takes less time for them, but thats why you ban them. not mercilessly go in and destroy it.
Whether you have sympathy or not is fine, and it may be their fault for x-raying. But having other players getting screwed over through the actions of admins is not their fault. it's YOUR FAULT. I and many others are victims of this barbaric policy when we haven't done anything wrong.
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* The number needs to be high enough to "punish" the worst offenders
But it should not be excessive to the majority of players.
Theres a difference between punishing and turning away from the server.
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Please keep the ban duration feedback coming, we're listening. Hopefully by the time we head into the new year, we'll be using a revised ban duration system, after discussions and your feedback.
2 week max ban (1 week if they are nice about it) with all valuables taken away for first time x-ray infractions.
No nuking from orbit!!!
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If you are interested. I will guide you through my spawn secret so you can include what you want of that.
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s it that room with the buttons?i forgot that was last rev
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Anyone is going to complain that a punishment is harsh when they're the subject of it. You could ban them for one day and they'd whine that a ban is too stiff for whatever they did.
https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/3870-gamepro2204-totemo/?p=31237
he got a 1 month insta-ban and even admitted to it.
Even he said that he thinks it's too steep for what it is, and considering how trivial it can be, I agree with him.
$5 says he won't ever come back to play for more than 2 hours. (if any, at all)
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I however can agree that the grief bans should vary. But with what switch said, 30k block grief should result in a perma ban.
I agree more with Switch on the x-ray issue because over half of clearmont and it's main driving force went poof because of shwk's unnessecary punishment. (Did I mention that this has also driven him to quit playing?)
We lost everything and had to do so many things all over again. Trying to contain free roaming villagers in half assed deformed trees and holes everywhere was not fun.
Now it's just nerd and I, and we are finally turning the place around. But we lost out in being a popular place this rev because of the policies. (any development you see in these pictures was done after getting nuked into oblivion.)
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IMHO, we could certainly stand to simplify and streamline the rules. Maybe not to the extent of being overly broad in the sense that they once were with "don't be or build a dick", but enough so that players can read just a short summary to get a sense of the general standard for conduct on the server.
There will always be rules lawyers, and they'll always find new loopholes no matter how many revisions are made to the rules. At some point you just have to stop and say "okay, here are the rules; this is as complex as they need to be" and tell the rules lawyers "I'm sorry that you feel the staff are unfairly subjective, however the mods have been carefully appointed from a pool of players who have proven themselves fair and trustworthy in judgement. The admins will review this case to ensure that you were not treated unfairly" and then have an admin double-check the logs to make sure the interaction was reasonable.
I've always been fond of taking a more affirmative approach to rules, personally. I don't like to call them "rules"; I think it sounds a little too patronizing, like something you'd follow in grade school. I like "code of conduct", with terms worded positively - for instance, instead of saying "no griefing" I would say "respect other players and their builds". That's just my preference, though.
the rules are fine. What needs to be done is a punishment/ban re-work.
Plenty of threads where new players get banned that ends with a "Even though I read and understand the rules, but thats still kinda harsh."
The point is to be forgiving and welcoming to new players. Not to drive them out with bans.
And honestly, judging by the bans on mc bouncer found here https://mcbouncer.com/userbans
Griefing is the biggest problem, yet it doesn't carry a harsh punishment of 1 month + having all of your builds nuked from orbit like a trivial thing such as x-ray.
X-ray being reworked to a 1-2 week ban and having all of your valuables taken away is more reasonable. You want people to think about what they have done, not despise the server and resent the staff.
Mod team does a good job. but policy changes can be used.
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oops! Fixed!
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Forever_a_Steve,
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I've just assumed that nothing here on the server is confidential and can be looked up at any time.
...pretty sure this was common sense
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As of now, the course is closed
to make it deadlierfor renovations.It will be harder and have more obstacles next time around.
The prize for next time will be an "X" enchanted item!
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Congrats to Deldelda on being the first to complete the course!
Some one of a kind items will be future prizes for the course! (Each time, a new obstacle will be added)
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just a reminder that it's now open. 20 diamonds wait for you at the end
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This is meant to challenge contenders with something more than parkour. Lots of deathly scenarios and even more room for error. Will you survive?
First to complete the course and make it in the winners room will win 20 diamonds.
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Mod powers are limited and tasks like that are up to admins.
But you also gotta know that logs only go back so far. Like if grief happened so long ago, they really can't see who did it. (Like what happened with my farm)
Being rude about it kinda makes their moderation jobs shittier for them.
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My character is making a run for freedom out of the picture box!
Also some hacker gave me 3 stacks of control blocks on C out of nowhere. (Yes.... I made admin team aware. why I still have access to them, I don't know)
Regarding my last thread
in Minecraft General
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So if that happens again, you would be cool with it?