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Don't act shitty because I private messaged you with clear, solid evidence of what I was claiming. You say I have no idea what "allahu ackbar" means, but that's an assumption and you yourself can't even fucking spell it correctly. I was banned for no reason, it's stated in that goddamn appeal. Hell, I can even go further and provide logs of a discussion I had with Denevien at the time, but based on how you've acted toward all my other links you'll instantly dismiss it. How am I making "work" for people? They choose whether they want to reply or not, just as you and I are choosing right now. I don't have problems with many specific people other than those who absolutely refuse to listen to any form of reason purely out of what seems to be spite, as you've done in ignoring my logs and links/ Anyway, I'll go ahead and request a thread close as you suggested. Let's see if we can make any progress in the following months.

That is in no way what being "toxic" is, and you wonder why I started this thread in the first place, irritated about people using the word so incorrectly as a label. This thread was nice and smooth until you jumped in throwing insults at everyone you disliked - I'm not the one that needs to grow up. I've given you clear evidence of what you were speaking against, and your refusal to accept that you were wrong isn't something that bothers me a whole lot. If it meant less than nothing to you, why would you mention it in the first place? Your opinion on whether I should be banned is completely irrelevant, because you have extreme bias. Cheers.

I won't bother asking how you see me as toxic after this thread, your definition of toxic appears to be "an asshole attempting to contribute"; because, at the end of the day, that is exactly what I am. I've not been unreasonably hostile in this thread at all, and if I have been I'd like you to show me where I've been the antagonist. You however have been calling myself and other toxic people "hostile" for god knows how long. It's gotten to the point where nothing short of kissing your ass in a very literal fashion will suffice. You've been referring to me offhandedly as "toxic" for weeks, don't set yourself into a falsely 'unbiased' perspective to exaggerate your point. I don't think much will change with your vow to never consider what I say ever again, because you're a prime example of the "blah blah blah I can't hear you" people that I mentioned earlier. I didn't "dice" scher's words in any way, and I'll send you a link to a screenshot of it to prove that. Please, don't be so arrogant as to make assumptions of conversations you haven't seen the first word of. Did I ask for more after MasterCommaThe's post? No, the idea was that I'd do as he suggested and keep trying to not be toxic. I'm perfectly willing do do that. https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/2072-eehee2000-tompreuss/?hl=eehee2000 Keep your money.

Why are you being so needlessly antagonistic? Stop blowing this shit out of proportion, we're having a reasonable discussion save for your bullshit and unneeded remarks. It's not that we're simply all douchebags that can't deal with any authority and want to be catered to, and your side remark telling us to go outside and make friends is pointless. Stop dismissing the entire conversation with your petulant whining about how we're all shitty people and how you wish we'd just go away, because that's not happening. Contribute, or fuck off.

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I'd honestly just prefer to PM you with the logs of the two events in question over Skype or something, and allow you to draw your own conclusion from that. See, this is the exact thing that I'm finding irritating. Just like tobylane, you're picking out the worst of what I said. Nevermind the fact that I genuinely want to help nerd and have expressed that I know I'm a dick, just point out that I "want to be a dick" in order to get your point across. Where did you draw the conclusion that I "want" to be a dick? Did you even read my post at all? Despite everything I just said you pull a perfect example of the goddamn tired bullshit that I'm talking about. You say that if I'm a dick to people I don't like, my credibility goes away; tell me, have I been a dick in this thread? My plea to you is to treat me like a dick when I'm a dick and treat me like a non-dick when I'm not a dick. The same applies to other toxic people. If you can't do that, there's another solution to this entire thing gone. However, remember; this is is a Minecraft forum, are you really going to hold enough spite to completely and utterly ignore people over something like that? I'd assume you're more reasonable than that, come on now.

That's the basic idea, yes. My issue is that I still get a lot of disdain for things long in the past when it's pretty damn clear that I've made steps to better myself. Before my words get misinterpreted, let me throw it out there that I'm well aware that I'm a huge dick on a fairly regular basis. Why, even today I ended up telling someone to do something rather rude on Survival within about 5 minutes of logging on. However, my actions on the forums are far less dickish than I find the public image of me to be represented as. From what I find, a lot of people are under the impression that I'm a troll and as a result it seems to be impossible for me to actually, y'know, make up for anything dickish I do. When I act like a shit, shouldn't there be some way for me to be taken seriously when I'm being serious? I could be in the middle of a legitimate discussion only to have every fucking word I say picked at because of someone's personal dislike for me. Exhibit A; https://nerd.nu/forums/topic/3053-goodbye-posters-should-be-banned-when-they-insult-the-community/page-2 The same issue happens an awful lot with other 'toxic' people, barneygale after his return being a prime example. It's not so much being 'ignored' in the literal sense that I'm talking about, it's having every single goddamn thing you say be taken as an attack or something that needs to be countered. Exhibit B; A few weeks ago I sent a suggestion to two Head Admins regarding ban appeals, one of them was even saying "i will not discuss this matter any further with you" very early into the honestly polite discussion rather than being able to hold the talk about it. The other Head just completely disregarded absolutely everything I said with some snappy response unrelated to what I said, for reasons that are still unknown to me. The fact that I'm considered a troll/troublemaker/'toxic' means that no matter what I try to do, the negatives of what I say are blown far out of proportion and the positives seem to be downright ignored half the time, and over time the entire issue devolves into a huge snowball effect that I evidently have zero control over. I'll redirect your attention to both exhibits above, and I'll rest my case. Now, given all this, what actions can we take to go about fixing this? I'd encourage a good amount of you to reread everything that I just said from the most un-biased perspective you can manage.

Let me clarify, It's not the term/word, it's the way we and everything we say are treated as a result of it.

Holy shit all three of you need to set profile pictures like ASAP

@tobylane I just feel it's on-topic enough to keep the discussion related to what I intended to have discussed. The whole permbanning thing from before was completely unrelated, thus why I asked for the discussion to remain on-topic. This topic is something that ties into much of nerd.nu's community, and I doubt it's something that can be solved effectively without allowing the conversation to drift a little, as long as it has a hope of accomplishing something relevant.

More courtesy than anything else; obviously people tend to like you a little more if you trust them to any degree. If you don't trust them, chances are you'll be questioning their every move, and they'll get sick of that over time.

That's fine, but I wouldn't expect them to trust you in return. Give them the benefit of the doubt - the only way you can avoid conflicts about this is to have a little faith from time to time.

Let's try to stay on topic with this, I can see catastrophe brewing. Diffy, I'd reccomend you make a new thread about the permban thing, discussion on that would be nice to see.

If we aren't able to trust the staff when they offer us all of the reasonable options, then that's a problem on our side. Perhaps we should trust the staff a little more than we currently do, and perhaps they should trust us a little more than they currently appear to.

And yet here you are, slugging punches at anyone who you don't believe is a "nice" individual. The admins make a uservoice for helpful suggestions, and then you somehow manage to tie it into us all being assholes and whatnot.. how did you shift your topic from the uservoice to a bunch of us being assholes? How is what you're saying even relevant to the topic? Stop trying to tie every single thing under the sun to be our fault. The drama here was caused by you and no-one else.

ayy lmao

I wasn't saying the server as a whole is critically wounded, sorry for the bad wording. The server is actually doing rather well, player-wise, and it seems that we could even be growing once again. However, the state of affairs between the 'toxic' group and their opponents is pretty shitty, no-one ought to deny that. That's a pretty large issue, not something that just needs a 'little bit of tweaking'.

Sorry, can't quote: Tobylane, were these "toxic" people to be all banned from the community, do you expect that there would be no more toxic players joining nerd? In all walks of life, you will find people you dislike or disagree with; simply trying to get rid of them is a temporary solution to something that's more a simple fact of life than a problem.

I really have no idea how this is supposed to be considered helpful. It's critically wounded by several different factors that date back to about 2 years ago. The whole 'toxic' string of bullshit is more recent, dating back about 1 - 0.5 years ago. Taking either party out of the equation is effectively a "fix", because it stops the arguing. Why would you ever suggest removing the toxic players? How the fuck is that supposed to help? You know that isn't going to happen, why bring it up? I genuinely don't know if you're trying to flame, but if you are, you're a legend at it.

>SwitchViewz <text> I actually had a conversation with jchance about a week and a half ago, my reasoning for not changing it before then was the fact that I couldn't take people seriously when they said they were offended by it. Sure, it can be offensive in specific contexts, but I really doubt anyone here was actually disturbed by it. A lot of you got up in arms about it, crying all manner of things, but at the end of the day I can't take people seriously when they get offended at miniscule things like that on an obscure forum for a Minecraft server that's now half a decade old. However, the side effect was that people apparently weren't able to take me or what I said seriously because of it, from what I interpreted from the conversation I had with jchance. I decided to trust jchance's opinion and I changed it. I'm not really going to look for a fight about the words "allahu akbar you fucking twat", and if I were to be looking for that fight, I'd be causing yet more problems in our already critically wounded community.

I'd like to request that this thread remains un-edited, actually. I don't plan to request for a close anytime soon, and the only reason I can see for there to be comments being hidden or deleted is if they break rules. Dividing these threads because people deem them "off-topic" either kills the conversation or complicates it. Quite frankly, these discussions aren't going to go anywhere if we keep cutting them short; we may as well run around in circles chasing our tail rather than have the same discussion 20 times over before we come to a conclusion. I rest my case in the two threads before this one, both of which were closed.

I don't think he was trying to be a cunt, it's a long-running joke amigo

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