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Rule Clarification: Chat Rules Clarification

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Its been noticed that a number of players are using "reee" in general chat, and it has come to light that this is often used in a derogatory/abusive manner towards people (please see this Know your Meme article if you'd like more information on the background of it).

We are not convinced that any of our players are using this meme in an intentionally derogatory way however it may not be apparent to those who are affected by it. As we are attempting to keep our servers friendly and open to everyone we are asking people at this time to please refrain from using this meme in general chat/mumble.

As a reminder: what goes on in your clanchats is entirely up to you, we do not actively moderate them. 

If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to staff.

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As someone who works with actually autistic people this is quite insulting and not representative of the majority of autistic people. Typically I see it used to insult someone who is getting frustrated by something someone is doing that they don't consider a big deal; implying "What is wrong with you? You must be autistic if this bothers you.".

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If one is to make a word out to be used for offensive purposes, not only will it draw unwanted attention to people meant to be offended, but it will also result in more people using it in said negative connotation. I do understand why some viewed it as needing to be banned, but by banning it we don't do any good for those it would possibly offend. If anything it gives them motive to be hurt. One can turn any form of word into something used to offend others, as we've seen in the past with words such as "faggot" (going from meaning bundle of sticks to it's modern negative connotation referring to homosexuals) and it is no surprise that action will be taken to those changes. Though by making it into a big deal we only give it more power over those who would possibly be offended by it. The key to these things, especially in this case where it is clearly stated that it is to the general consensus of the staff that it is not being used in a remotely offensive term, as previously stated by Silver,

On 8/16/2017 at 9:36 PM, Silversunset01 said:

We are not convinced that any of our players are using this meme in an intentionally derogatory way however it may not be apparent to those who are affected by it. As we are attempting to keep our servers friendly and open to everyone we are asking people at this time to please refrain from using this meme in general chat/mumble.

is to simply not let them offend you. At the end of the day, a bigoted insult is something that should only prove an annoyance to which should be shrugged aside as a fool's attempt to express their cruel beliefs. Why give them power by granting yet another means to a small arsenal? I do believe that by banning the phrase "ree," things will only escalate in a negative connotation as people will see it as a way to offend those vulnerable to it. If anything it will, as zaliek previously mentioned, imply those offended or trying to enforce it are autistic, thus leading to it becoming more of an issue. As I mentioned, I understand why this is banned, but if anything it only makes autistic individuals feel more attacked. If we are to keep ourselves friendly, we must understand that actions such as these will only further isolate groups of individuals afflicted with such unfortunate troubles. I do hope we can all reach a universal agreement and understand that banning this simply will make things worse on autistic individuals despite the intentions of the action

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10 minutes ago, DoctorTim58 said:

I do understand why some viewed it as needing to be banned, but by banning it we don't do any good for those it would possibly offend. 

I want to clarify, we have not flat out said "this is a banned phrase" we're asking people to keep it out of public spaces. This would apply to any phrase or statement that falls under the rules we have currently: 

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No harassment or excessive trolling

No bigotry / hate speech including but not limited to ethnicity, age, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, and religion.

No disruptive arguments/discussions in global chat

 

Initially there was no plans for us to even have to make a public statement regarding this, staff were instructed to have a private conversation when it came up in the hopes that it would die down on its own. It appeared that some people had the wrong impression of this and so we've decided to put this out so everyone has the same information.

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5 minutes ago, Silversunset01 said:

I want to clarify, we have not flat out said "this is a banned phrase" we're asking people to keep it out of public spaces. This would apply to any phrase or statement that falls under the rules we have currently: 

 

Initially there was no plans for us to even have to make a public statement regarding this, staff were instructed to have a private conversation when it came up in the hopes that it would die down on its own. It appeared that some people had the wrong impression of this and so we've decided to put this out so everyone has the same information.

I do appreciate the demeanor to which this response was given and clarification upon the error I made of stating it to be a "banned phrase." Despite my own viewings on how I consider it to be banned, I will take that into account with formulating this response. As I mentioned, the nobility of this cause is notable, but ultimately still reinforces the possible use of the phrase for negative connotation. By placing restrictions upon it, despite it's full availability in private messages and clanchats, it still will still make autistic individuals feel more isolated if they have to be told something is supposed to offend them. I know that is the antithesis of the intention of the restriction and that is was stressed that this is only in global, but the point still stands that it's simply forcing something to have a different meaning than by the people using it. It simply is unfair both to autistic people (in the sense that they should be offended by this phrase. I know that's not at all what's being said, but is what will be interpreted) and to people who often use the phrase as a means to signify a humorous depiction of frustration as it makes them believe what they're saying is wrong (or make players think that the admins are fun police, which is FAKE NEWS). I perfectly understand the reason for these restrictions but at the end of the day, what good will it ultimately do? It removes use of a commonly used phrase (which probably will just die in a year or two anyways) in the most viewed form of server communication (in-game that is) and just makes people feel like dicks or that the admins don't understand the normal player's mindset (which is false, as staff members all are essentially just devoted members of the community). I feel I've already mentioned enough how it will simply isolate autistic individuals, but would like to simply add that it just seems like a move that wasn't thought out on how all parties affected would feel about it. I'm glad this information was made public as so we're all kept equally-informed upon this matter as it allows for us all to have a mature discussion relating to the topic at hand 

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4 minutes ago, DoctorTim58 said:

As I mentioned, the nobility of this cause is notable, but ultimately still reinforces the possible use of the phrase for negative connotation. By placing restrictions upon it, despite it's full availability in private messages and clanchats, it still will still make autistic individuals feel more isolated if they have to be told something is supposed to offend them.

Its not a matter of telling someone they *should* be offended. We've reached a point with this particular meme that people are already offended and this was the course of action we chose to take. The intent was never to draw attention or make a big deal of it, but here we are.

If you have other concerns feel free to find me in-game or in discord and perhaps I can answer your questions better.

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On 8/24/2017 at 8:40 PM, Silversunset01 said:

Its not a matter of telling someone they *should* be offended. We've reached a point with this particular meme that people are already offended and this was the course of action we chose to take. The intent was never to draw attention or make a big deal of it, but here we are.

If you have other concerns feel free to find me in-game or in discord and perhaps I can answer your questions better.

It is disheartening to hear this has offended an undisclosed amount of people, but without known the amount of people (in the form of a rough estimate if there is a high number, and it is more than understandable if they are kept anonymous) how are we to truly understand the gravity of this? After all, if per example, somebody uses a term such as "diseased" (perhaps not my greatest example to date) to directly refer to a group of people, to which are part of a specific minority due to either a genetic misfortune or ethnic background, are we to also restrict that phrase for it now being used for offensive reasons? It simply is unfair to those who do use it for non offensive reasons within the global. I understand it is clear my response does not leave a sway upon opinions, so I shall leave it at this as there is no use in my further responding to these matters as this was simply just my expression of my views upon these matters. I thank you for the courtesy shown and correction of previous misconceptions I had previously had upon this subject as so I, and those reading, may remain better informed on these recent happenings. Thank you and have a nice day

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On 8/16/2017 at 7:36 PM, Silversunset01 said:

As a reminder: what goes on in your clanchats is entirely up to you, we do not actively moderate them. 

 

not sure what much of this thread means because memes aren't really my thing but does this mean literally anything goes in clanchats as long as the owner is cool with it? rule clarification on that alone would be appreciated

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2 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

not sure what much of this thread means because memes aren't really my thing but does this mean literally anything goes in clanchats as long as the owner is cool with it? rule clarification on that alone would be appreciated

Clanchats are opt-in and as such we do not moderate them the same way global is moderated. If someone reports harassment or some other serious offense we may look into it but otherwise if everyone in the clanchat is fine with it, anything goes.

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