Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Do moderators just fly around spying on random people while they mine? do they have a program that informs when diamond to stone ratio has gone funky? Do they check eachother? Do they only do it to those who beat them? Do they just wait for a player to act suspiciously? My concerns are that either they aren't checking that many people or if they are spying on me all the time lol. Like, how does it work guys? And how do you stop yourselves from learning where bases are? Question for mods not 4 xrayers, i do not wish to hear moderator slander Just interested :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdavison Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I'll leave it to the admins if they want to discuss the details in a public forum, but you can always check the (Closed) Ban Appeals section. That is totally in the public record, and has all the screenshot proof of x-raying you'd ever want to see. g. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 No, I meant what is it that leads them to investigate if someone is xraying, I am quite familiar with xray ban appeals, they are quite amusing. I just want to know when they know something is up, i know how they find evidence of it. Like, how are they alerted to decide upon inspecting someones mines. You're a few steps ahead of my question, but thx for commenting anyways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TornadoHorse Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) totemo. He's always watching. But seriously, staff are able to check the ratio of diamond to stone mined, if it's looking suspicious, they'll check it out. They're then able to check the tracks of where people have mined. They can see if people have been mining straight to ores, or if there's anything strange about the way they're mining which could suggest that they're using xray. They won't look at coordinates whilst doing this, and definitely never make note of them. Edited November 18, 2013 by TornadoHorse 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Alright, for a third time, I'm pretty sure the mods don't just randomly browse everyones diamond edits every morning, I was wondering what causes them to look at this information in the first place. Here's an example. Police bust these people for pot plantation evidence: Sketchy movements in and out of the house, past criminal history, dodgey emails to crime lords. My concern is, what causes the police to park outside the house and watch them, and when do they decide to browse their emails unless thay got a tip from someone who had tipped them off? Do we get what I'm asking... I read ban appeals, I read more of them than some banning moderators do. I've seen hundreds of screenshots of xrayers. What makes them check those things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Alright, for a third time, I'm pretty sure the mods don't just randomly browse everyones diamond edits every morning, I was wondering what causes them to look at this information in the first place.Actually this is exactly what we do. We can run a command that will return everyone who has mined a diamond in the last 24 hours and the total amount of diamonds they have mined in thr last 24 hours. It will take me approximately 2 minutes to look it over. We do not single anyone out and check their edits anymore than anyone elses and yes, We will always look through a moderators edits just the same as any other user if their edits look suspicious. No one is above the rules on the servers.To be clear. We do not target any players. We have commands that return suspicious activity and then we start the investigation process from there. We do not ban without proof and we do not ban on a suspicion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Well, not to seem unconvinced, but we get thousands of people on the servers (I think, unless it's just massive in my mind) And I've seen that the plugin to check edits is done on an individual basis there is the stone to diamond ratio plugin (But i'm pretty sure this requires you to type in specific names, meaning alot of typing) and the other one i know is the destroyed/placed block log. They are both individualized (Or maybe you just edit them to show the one ur referencing) so I don't see how you can pick the needle out of the hay stack straw by straw. To place it in a metaphor (I'm bad with words sometimes) are there ways for you to check allot of straws at once? Forgive my poor communication skills, but i'm really interested as to how you would find the time to do this. And I am very aware that you do not ban without proof, especially when xray leaves a tonne of evidence. thanks for commenting cyotie99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Darkelmo, Feel free to read up on LogBlock and what commands are available for it. for instance... I can run a command on C that will return all the wool edits. This took me approximately 10 seconds to type the command, 10 seconds for it to pull the records from the database and another 20 or so seconds for me to post the results here. Player Created Destroyed Dumbo52 2130 642 nolanater5711 1211 1034 Ultraimagination 1205 306 CharGB 1055 370 DocQuickDeath 1118 263 stellarjello 1076 83 Diamond_Lover123 667 272 emptyafternoon 601 248 theinada 536 124 Dinostorm 392 142 lehmanster 211 82 N00ble_6 143 139 skiflea 209 58 schererererer 180 54 pspprogramer 184 23 Gerbil_9 159 9 buchanman 85 60 Jakesaur 1 134 HailSaban 95 16 modmode_joshuaherman 52 51 foggy29 0 99 ceegith 44 30 kandoko 42 22 catcake78 31 12 BlackstoneUltd 36 4 OhDamnADog 0 31 KashmirCrafted 13 8 squirrelflight01 8 11 ITSupport_ 0 18 keithkong1 15 2 Trooprm32 0 14 Madman06 6 6 scourge2002 7 2 sweatyballs6982 0 5 OreoToast_QW 4 0 IrishWreckage 2 2 fashionkat99 2 2 Archiuz 2 2 modmode_buchanman 1 1 nickeox 0 2 Bardidley 0 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I can do the same thing on P or S for any block on the server. I can run the same command and modify it for diamond edits. There's no way to cheat that system. If you are going to try to skew your diamond to stone ratio with xray then normally we can tell because we can see a player who finds a ton of diamonds in a short period of time and then mines a ton of stone to try to make up for the ratio. By the time a player has to go through all the trouble of trying to not get caught xraying. It would have taken just as much time to mine diamonds legitimately and you won't have to worry about getting banned either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Oh sweet, what determines the order of names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Oh sweet, what determines the order of names? total number of edits of a particular block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 And you just type in the same for smooth stone to compare with the diamond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Know that this isn't bannable. This is just the starting place for our investigations. Anyone who looks suspicious will then be investigated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 And you just type in the same for smooth stone to compare with the diamond? Actually we can then look at a players total amount of edits for each individual kind of block over any period of time we need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Can you do the time period specific thing for that list of players as well? Or is it most wool of all time? Edited November 18, 2013 by Darkelmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 The edits that are returned above are for the last 24 hours. The time period can be tailored as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Anyways. I'm not going to go into anymore specifics because there are so many different ways to check edits that I could be here all night. I believe that your original question has been answered. We don't single anyone out and we have ways to check all the players on the server at once. TLDR. If you xray, you're going to get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 So what if I mine 5 diamonds via xray then log off for the rest of the day then repeat. If the edits above are for a 24 hour time frame and listing by those who have highest diamond breakage counts (This is assuming the placement count being irellevant due to the fact that they are diamonds) then can't I xray in little intervals while being masked by the higher ore counts of legitimate active players throughout that period? After which of course the interval will have been set anew for my diamond count never to accumulate above the natural amount for that time period. Unless you recieve the highest diamond count in relation to stone in one list, then xrayers could simply avoid detection due to their low diamond count even though realative to play time, their diamond count is quite high. For example I could have placed or broken 5 wool today but I would never appear on that list. And assuming the implications of the above counts aren't for greif but rather diamond mining (Where numbers of 1000 are no less banable than an xrayed amount of 45 diamonds) then I as an xrayer would never appear on your list. And you would have no reason to check my individual stone edits to contrast with my diamond edits? Do I have a valid point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyotie911 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 darkelmo, I didn't say that this is the only way we start off doing xray investigations. We have other ways also. For instance yesterday there were 18 players who mined diamond ore on P. It takes me literally no time at all to check their stone edits for each of those players for yesterday either. For any player in that list that has less than a 2% diamond to However, For what you say.. you mine 5 diamonds today. It would take you a week just to get 35 diamonds. I can find more than that legitimately in one evening. Normally the point of someone xraying is to gather resources using the least effort possible. That is not the least effort. Pretty sure that 99% of the people who xray aren't going to do it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totemo Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Making a note here to check Darkelmo's edits every day until the end of time. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 My plan at becoming the ultimate xrayer has backfired :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkelmo Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Edited for accidental post Edited November 18, 2013 by Darkelmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobylane Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Another method to find x-rayers is simply watching chat. I believe Teddylover's appeal contains very good examples of that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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