TornadoHorse

Remind me, what is the point in this thread? The last few comments I've read have been completely unrelated to the title. The solution to the problem has been summarised here many times, why are you all still discussing it?

You're not a new player, so I'll treat you like the tobylane that everyone knows and loves :)

I'd assume that the reason for the ban will be displayed and the time banned would be automatically in the message, just as the "appeal at nerd.nu/appeal" is right now. Every ban should be a temp ban apart from a few exceptional cases. The staff member enters /tempban (1d/1h/1w etc.) followed by the reason, and upon completion of the ban time the player is automatically unbanned. The player may appeal the ban if they feel they were wrongly banned, however hopefully that shouldn't occur too frequently. This is how most servers do it afaik and it works well there, our banning system is outdated in that aspect and it's about time we caught up. That's how I think/assume it will be handled, although Deaygo might want to comment to confirm the actual process.

O my mistake eehor, i apologize d3

Not sure why d3north felt like there was an absence of cuntyness here that he needed to fill. Unfortunately I'm out this friday otherwise I would've liked to be involved, hope it all goes smoothly.

When you say 'he' are you talking about SwitchViewz?

Any timescale on that? Iirc when this subject was last brought up I think you were one of the people who shot it down as you wanted to stick with MCB with no temp bans. We have a habit of saying we'll do stuff and never get round to it so it'd be nice to set a date to have this done by.

I agreed with the rule change as I didn't think it would harm anything and could work out better, but when thinking about it a little more, there's no reason for it. The rules are all perfectly clear. No matter how many times we change the rules there'll be some way around them. The one thing that needs to change is how these rules are enforced - this goes for all staff members. We shouldn't be looking to ban anyone, in my eyes the worst case scenario is banning someone. If speaking to them stops them from breaking the rules and does equal to or better than a ban then why not just speak to them? We enforce things so inconsistently from mods right up to head admins and the standard of the staff team really has gone downhill in comparison to a few years ago. We should not be promoting players and teaching them to follow a strict set of rules where "if someone says 'gay' that's a ban, no warning". We should be selecting people who are smart enough to look at the situation and then act appropriately. It doesn't take 2 minutes just to explain to someone why we don't allow homophobia here or why what they said was wrong. If everyone took a little more care and attention with what they were doing instead of letting the power go to their heads then this would be a far better place.

1 instance of bad behaviour shouldn't invalidate that person's opinion, however it does seem to happen here. It's all well and good having a discussion on these things but no amount of forum posts will actually change the way people feel about the subject. It's all down making sure staff don't carry this opinion as they are the only ones that really matter - a player's opinion won't change the server but a staff member's could. By this, I mean make sure you're choosing the right people for staff and set a good example to them and the rest of the players. It doesn't matter if a player groups people together, it's no big deal unless they're breaking the rules. If a staff member is doing this, however, then it becomes an issue as we don't want any bias held by those who run the servers as we do currently as it can and does ruin the game for some people.

slide please use the nsfw tag for booty twerking i am currntly working and feel not safe

pretty dank thread goin on ere

Just stop for a minute and think about what you're saying. If you are thinking about what you're saying and that is the result of it, then stop speaking. You're poorly trying to insult people who are tying to add to the discussion and using words far beyond your vocabulary to make yourself sound better than everyone else. By doing this, you've completely lost the message in what you were saying. So please, before you respond again just make sure that you know that everyone is allowed an opinion and just because it doesn't matchh yours it doesn't mean you need to get worked up about it. If you would like to reread what I and others have said earlier and respond to them that adds to the discussion with respect then please do so, otherwise I see no reason for this thread not to be locked.

Darkelmo I think you're getting a bit worked up about this. Honestly, I don't think anything that you wrote really carries any point to it, it sounds like you're just venting. If the issue is that the rules are bad then the heads have tried to work on that with the community interaction guidelines. You're not saying what you want to change or how to do it, and this issue is past it a bit which is why this thread is a bit confusing. I think the rules are fine. None of them are too strict; however the community interaction policy feels a step too far for me, but if that's how the heads want to run the community we've got to listen to that. I think the problem is the way that the rules are enforced. As everyone knows (although some may forget), each staff member will and is allowed to handle a situation differently in the best way they see fit. There is a lot of inconsistency. When the same job is being done that's fine, but this inconsistency is showing very drastic contrasts in the way some staff members treat players. To be totally honest, I think we're lacking a reasonable, responsible head of community that will speak out when necessary; no Barlimore, no ludeman, no Skuld. These guys all had different ways of dealing with the community but all of them worked. Right now I don't feel we have that. We may have people people who are capable of it but they either aren't in the right positions or aren't fulfilling that role. To be more objective about this, I think we need someone like that as head, or one of the current heads to take up that role as they already possess the right characteristics (I'm looking at you jchance, scherer). *If* there is a problem, then I think that's the way to solve it, however I don't think there's too much of a problem right now.

I don't like it change it back

Definitely not. I could go around with the name Mrloud16 and be totally okay as long as I kept my own skin. However I do agree that it comes down to context and common sense. There doesn't need to be a rule about this as our current rules already cover them - harassment and staff impersonation. As long as the staff are reasonable about it then there should be no issue. This only becomes an issue when there is an unreasonable circumstance however I don't see a way to prevent that beforehand.

I'd appreciate if alts were handled with some care at least, instead of just a straight ban immediately as the staff assumes it's something malicious. There have been accounts in the past like Rscrub (Rcub) and FatherSouth (MotherNorth) and they are fine. The initial novelty of changing names has blown over a bit now so we shouldn't have too many further incidents where players change names to anything malicious.

You've said vaguely what you want to achieve in the introduction post but not how you're going to do that. In terms of actual gameplay, what are you plans for revision 28?

All of the logos here are great (especially skrap's) but marting's really is something else, definitely got my vote, nice work!

I both agree and disagree. There are times when it's clear goodbye posts are just for attention, but there are times when these quitting posts raise very important questions. Tharine's leaving post was one of the most controversial there has been at nerd and it came at a time that the community was being terribly run. Her post exposed this a bit and, with such an influential member of the community leaving because of it it showed that things really were wrong. In all honesty, I think the leaving posts will sort themselves out if the community is run better, and I think that is the case. There are still some glaring exceptions and those should and will be treated as such, but I don't think that's a reason to disallow all Leaving posts that might bring up something of a controversial nature. Again we've gotten better recently, but when someone has a problem with something, that doesn't mean it's drama and that we should brush it off as such. I'm all for the clearly obvious troll leaving posts and the downright disrespectful to be removed but we should always consider that what they're saying might be true and not just shit-stirring.

I was talking only objectively about the state of the servers. I'd like to thank Mumberthrax for the work that he's done as both mod and admin and to Aca for her work as tech and mod, and it's a shame she wasn't able to be sadmin for any longer. I didn't mean to offend anyone with what I said if that's what I've done, but I'm trying to take positives away from what has happened here. It is an unfortunate situation to find ourselves in but I believe that we now have a fresh platform to work from.

Yeah, I had this earlier too. I relogged and it was back to normal however.

Won't be attending this as I've never actually played TF2 (maybe I should heh) but I'm looking forward to more of these in the future - great work Switch!

I don't think this is something that was properly planned on, otherwise I'm sure replacements would've been thought about. Either way, we now have that fresh start that we've been looking for to make a real difference with survival. To be totally honest, I don't think the admins stepping down right now really affects anything except maybe the rate at which adminreqs get done. We weren't really about to transition into a new revision or anything, so we now have this time to properly take control of survival and make it what we want it to be.

Not sure where you're getting this idea, unless you're talking specifically about PvE in which case I'm not involved. I think all survival players would like a deadline for when the revision is ending at this point.

Which ones are Reddit affiliated?