dizney07 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hey all, today we have a big announcement about the upcoming revision of Survival. We know you guys want more information about Rev28, so here it is: Survival will be implementing an economy plugin. There were debates, some arguments, and I’m pretty sure LadyRavenOwl made rtr69 cry once (confirmed, she did), but as a team this is what we have decided to go for to add new and interesting dynamics to our gameplay. First of all, with this new economy plugin, we had to find a way to make it work without it being completely abusable, while still making it worth it to play. With that, we have decided to make a server side shop. Within this server side shop, players will be able to buy and sell the following items for a set amount of currency : Lapis Gold Emeralds Diamonds These items are non-renewable, so there would be no way for players to create more to gain an advantage; iron is not listed is due to iron grinders. Players will not be able to sell these items to other players however. The reason for this, is that if a player decides that they have a much higher amount of diamonds than they need, they can effectively sell their diamonds for a lower price than the server shop. This can be abused by another player being the diamonds for cheaper, then selling them back to the server shop and repeating the process. Player 1 might be getting a bad deal but if they’re still making a decent amount of money, they might not care. However, while players cannot sell the four above items, they will be free to sell any other item they want, for any price they want, through sign shop set ups. We will also be opening a player shop hub, where players can purchase a room within the shop to sell their items at the same location that the Server Shop is located. This will function as a mall does in real life, players are free to sell what they like while other players are free to browse and purchase what they would like. Although some players might be fear that this new plugin might deteriorate PvP on S, we hope it’s the opposite with PvP stimulating the economy. Armored PvP will now be rewarded with currency. The types of PvP that give a reward of currency listed from the most amount of currency received to the least amount are as follows: Prot 4 Diamond Prot 3 Diamond Prot 4 Iron Prot 3 Iron Misc Enchanted Diamond Misc Enchanted Iron With this, we will also have a place to repair armor for currency and purchase levels of XP as well, so PvP can now fund PvP. There will also be more secret things to purchase from the server shop that you can’t normally obtain in game, though those are gonna be kept a secret for now. Despite a cooldown period implemented by the plugin we are using, there may be a potential way to abuse this system, so we’re forced to create a new rule: Players are NOT allowed to abuse economy for monetary gain through the constant killing of the same players. This means that players are NOT allowed to continuously kill their friends, allies, or alts to receive monetary bonuses. Please be advised, this is easier to track than other things such as x-ray or player logging, so please just do not do it. This will result in a ban for BOTH players involved. We really didn’t want to add anymore rules, but we feel this is necessary to implement now rather than later when clans start abusing this. Adding this new feature to Survival gives us the opportunity to offer a new bounty system, new rewards, a lottery system, and new betting systems for arena fights. We’re excited about the possibilities that this will open up in the future and we encourage all of you to approach us with any ideas of things you would like to see in addition to the things we’ve already mentioned. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMan Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) In regards to the pvp-economy system... why create an obviously exploitable system in the first place? I honestly do not understand... Edited March 20, 2015 by gsand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizney07 Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 In regards to the pvp-economy system... why create an obviously exploitable system in the first place? I honestly do not understand... To sum it up a little better, we plan on having a set cooldown for money to be received when killing someone. For example if player 1 kills player 2, then player 1 won't receive money for armor killing player 2 again for a set amount of time. The rule is in place however, because we know players have alts, and we know some have many alts. Because of this, we don't want players lining their alts up in a row and killing them to abuse the system. This is why the rule is required, even if we never have to use it. We would rather let people know this is against the rules early rather than have players abuse it and have to fix this later because we know this WOULD be abused. The reason the system itself is in place is because we want PvP to feel more rewarding. This is one of the best systems we discussed where players can actually feel rewarded for winning fights, and can do whatever you please with your winnings instead of getting a broken suit of armor and a few empty bottles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMan Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 To sum it up a little better, we plan on having a set cooldown for money to be received when killing someone. For example if player 1 kills player 2, then player 1 won't receive money for armor killing player 2 again for a set amount of time. The rule is in place however, because we know players have alts, and we know some have many alts. Because of this, we don't want players lining their alts up in a row and killing them to abuse the system. This is why the rule is required, even if we never have to use it. We would rather let people know this is against the rules early rather than have players abuse it and have to fix this later because we know this WOULD be abused. The reason the system itself is in place is because we want PvP to feel more rewarding. This is one of the best systems we discussed where players can actually feel rewarded for winning fights, and can do whatever you please with your winnings instead of getting a broken suit of armor and a few empty bottles. Why allow for the system to be obviously exploitable in the first place? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slide Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Why allow for the system to be obviously exploitable in the first place? The reason the system itself is in place is because we want PvP to feel more rewarding. This is one of the best systems we discussed where players can actually feel rewarded for winning fights, and can do whatever you please with your winnings instead of getting a broken suit of armor and a few empty bottles. If you have a solution/suggestions to the potential for exploitation, please feel free to share. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizney07 Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 After talking it over with some players and other sadmins we're discussing the PvP system tonight about exploits. We should have an answer up tonight, and if not it'll be up tomorrow! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four_Down Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 As you are all aware, my friends and I constantly kill each other for a laugh. With this new system, that would now be banable, correct? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuaherman Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 slide I have a idea about exploitation why not have a global cooldown on gaining loot through pvp then it would avoid alts also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roastnewt Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Hey, I asked a few of these questions in skype, but I figured I would ask them again here so people could see the answers. The ones dizney already answered I will add in italics. Will selling ores directly to other players be against the rules? There will be no /pay command, so trading money directly will be impossible. Can you see other players' balances? yes Can you use the "create your own shop" plugin anywhere or just in the "mall" area? anywhere Will the "mall" area be pvp-enabled? no Is the "server shop" area pvp-enabled? no Can you warp to the server shop? yes If you can warp to this shop, will warping to avoid pvp be against the rules? warping will count as logging Will there be a warmup to warp? yes How long? 10 seconds Can you warp while combattagged? no After you warp to the server shop, how do you get out? There will be a command to return to where you warped from. Are you worried about runaway inflation from money being created from nothing (i.e. kills)? How long is the cooldown on pvp money? Will it apply to [killer,victim] pairs, or will a single victim not give money to anyone during their cooldown? Gold is renewable (pigmen grinders). Are you concerned about this? fak Emerald is also renewable (villager trading). What about dat? Villagers can be rebalanced Will there be anything to prevent farming noobs for money? Edited March 21, 2015 by roastnewt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwitchViewz Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 To add to roastnewt's list: Lapis is also renewable as you can get it from villagers as well as EXP bottles. Source 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamdarb Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 All-in-all I think this is a very interesting idea. I'm hoping this gives players more incentive to participate in the weekly player-hosted arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twilexis Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 A way to get around that is to remove villagers entirely and add iron to the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyRavenOwl Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 We're in the process of revamping this based on ideas and concerns that people have brought up regarding this feature. Please stay tuned for an updated version. :D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobylane Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 As you are all aware, my friends and I constantly kill each other for a laugh. With this new system, that would now be banable, correct? I believe the solution is to not take hits on your armour when you kill each other for fun. Take it off. I would like to see ad-hoc arenas excluded from this plugin, for the reasons Four says. For when you have the need to make perfect armour then use it up on friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaryBilbo Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Can we add nametags, horsearmor, saddles and records to the list of things we can buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKayani Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Nice plugin I guess. But I do tend to target the same people and kill them quite frequently; so similar to Four_Down's question, could I get banned for that? Also it would be great if you could change the chaos map currently to like an old map that hands out pvp kits. It is super boring these days lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridiculous Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Is this the star plugin for next rev or have you other aces up your sleeves sadmins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobylane Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Nice plugin I guess. But I do tend to target the same people and kill them quite frequently; so similar to Four_Down's question, could I get banned for that? Err on the side of caution. Pick on someone new, let the cooldown end and then some, and rotate your victims. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c45y Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Err on the side of caution. Pick on someone new, let the cooldown end and then some, and rotate your victims. If a side effect of this plugin is forcing me to change how I kill people on a pvp server than it needs to have some more thought put into it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamdarb Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 If a side effect of this plugin is forcing me to change how I kill people on a pvp server than it needs to have some more thought put into it. You'd still be able to relentlessly attack your target, you're just not gonna get rewarded for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolgamerovr90 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) YES OMG Finally. We should add chestshop too but I guess one thing at a time Edited March 27, 2015 by coolgamerovr90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizney07 Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Closing, if there's any questions or concerns please contact us directly or on the new update post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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